Posted on 07/31/2023 9:28:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Criminals?
Tell me, is Trump a criminal?
Yes, he has been charged, but NOT convicted. Are we still under the American jurisprudence sanctum of Innocent unless PROVEN guilty?? And those charging him are his political enemies.
Remember how the democrats impeached Trump over his phone call to Zelenskyy? and Trump was simply asking about Joe Biden’s efforts to get a prosecutor fired for daring to investigate his son hunter’s illegal involvement with The Ukrainian oil and gas company Burisma, which was sending MIILION of $$$ to the Bidens... How Adam Schitt voiced his idea of the phone call—in COMMITTEE, which sounded ultra sinister, but then Trump released the actual transcript and shot the Impeachment full of holes? But Nanzi had it anyway, because hey, Trump was messing with a candidate! The horror! Eventually the Senate killed it, because it was bogus and the phone call was legitimate, but Biden never did pay for HIS crimes. But hell, no, they weren’t done with going after Trump.
These charges are as bogus and wrong as impeachmentS were! People without an agenda can see that.
I like DeSantis, and I think he’d be a fine President (compared to any democrat) someday.
But if your blind hatred of Trump lets them get away with railroading their chief political opponent, then you are just another enabler of the murder of this Republic.
...”but at least you go home with your dignity”....
The flaw in that line of thinking is that democrats never had any to begin with, and they do not aspire to acquire any.
Trump is the most investigated man in human history.
The fight has been rigged. You have identified what I would describe as “the ends justify the means “. The Dems have used this since Alinsky taught them. Conservatives hold that the means (our institutions and founding docs) should still be followed. Unfortunately, doing so might make them a suicide pact. I’m not liking agreeing to overlook legal transgressions, but justify doing so because they’ve been “Trumped up”.
He has not lost a criminal court case that I know of, only civil ones, so no, I don't think he's a criminal. And I've not seen enough evidence yet that convinces me he is, outside of the court. I think these DOJ cases are likely fabricated, or in gray areas of the law, at best. Certainly nothing criminal to the extend that Hillary or Joe Biden have exhibited.
But, those being polled in this poll apparently didn't give it the same level of thought that you and I did. Maybe they're even former Democrats, who Trump pulled over, since we always hear how good he is at that. But they said even though they believe he's guilty of serious federal crimes, they still want him as our leader. That's who I'm calling out. Because these people are dangerous.
But if your blind hatred of Trump lets them get away with railroading their chief political opponent, then you are just another enabler of the murder of this Republic.
I don't hate Trump, at all. I was a huge supporter of him here on this site for years. I've also said many times I will vote for him if he's our nominee. And I've said I hope he can prevail in these trials. I think it's good he FINALLY created a legal defense fund. He may get more donated to that than his re-election campaign, because even foreigners can donate to that. We will soon find out, because they are separate. But just because someone may want him to win in these trials, doesn't necessarily mean they think he can win the election in '24.
According to all these polls, about 50% of all Republicans feel this way. Sorry if that sets you off, but there are reasons we turned away from Trump as our preferred candidate, over the last few years. Most of them were his decisions, and his inability to make any inroads in the swing states, not any potential crimes. Thanks.
Trump won’t stand a chance against Newsom. I will vote for Trump in the primaries as long as his opponent looks like it will be Biden (which I doubt). Otherwise, it will be DeSantis. I rather Trump be President but he will look terrible next to the young smooth talking authoritarian a*shole Newsom. Gavin is America’s Justin Trudeau.
Yes, that's another great cliche to describe what I'm getting at. Those in this poll that we're speaking of would be guilty to that sort of thinking.
I’m not liking agreeing to overlook legal transgressions, but justify doing so because they’ve been “Trumped up”.
And that's obviously different, and understandable. You don't believe he's guilty of the Trumped up charges. But you are inferring if he had done something that was blatantly illegal, and proven in court (which we're nowhere near at this point, and hopefully will never be), at that point you very well could cut your ties. Those that would not, is who I'm referring to in this poll, not people like you. Thanks.
Okay, fair enough.
I just don’t know if these people who say they’ll vote for him even if he’s guilty are saying so because he IS guilty, or they think the Deep State will still find him guilty, despite all evidence and logic.
Respect to you, and sorry about calling you a Trump hater.
Quotes from the Times. Hard pass.
Thank you AB. You are a treasured friend here who I greatly respect for your dedication to the Sunday thread, for which you have done a completely amazing job for literally 2 decades now. I read it each week and hope your back is better.
And admittedly I am not a Trump supporter, anymore, just not a hater. He has just frustrated me to no end, so I do vent at him or his supporters quite a lot, just like they vent at me. It’s a trying time for us. I just don’t want us to “turn to the dark side” like these being polled seem ready to do. It’s not necessary, and we should all be trying to protect ourselves from evil, and lead others into the light of what’s good and just, by example. It’s the only way it will endure.
Highest Regards.
DeSantis is hardly good and noble, so don’t give up on it.
Same here! He's the only one who can defeat the MASSIVE corruption of the CRIMINAL government (And they know it-Hence their ever-more-bizarre attempts to stop him from being on the ballot).
Those running against him are, IMO, either ignorant about what is going in this country (in which case they need to get informed and WTF up), compromised, greedy, (took payoffs from DS), or criminals themselves.
They don't care that this nation has been infiltrated by enemies who are in the process of destroying it.
If they did care at all, they would stop lying to the public, by acting like 2020 election was legitimate, (It was a coup.), and that 2024 is a normal election, (It is not.), drop out, and back President Trump.
We have a country to save!
I don’t trust any politician, much, to be honest. Been burned far too many times. In my experience, you basically ALWAYS get burned by them, somehow, in the end. So you get what good you can out of them, while you can, then discard them once they start getting exposed, or shaky on the stuff that matters. It’s usually inevitable.
What crimes has Trump been convicted of exactly?
What crimes do you believe he’s guilty of?
Be specific.
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See post #25. Thanks.
“He has not lost a criminal court case that I know of, only civil ones, so no, I don’t think he’s a criminal.”
Then what’s your freaking point?
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Clownhall is far from reliable when it comes to Trump. They lie all the time.
And who on our side do you think is a criminal?
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There’s many people in the poll who DO think he’s guilty of serious crimes, but STILL want him as President. Read my other posts for why THAT is a problem, to me, even if you don’t think it is. Thanks.
Almost no one. And I want to keep it that way. I don’t want these people willing to support criminals voting for them to rise to power in our party.
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