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Ukraine: The CIA’s 75-year-old Proxy
Covert Action Magazine ^ | 9/12/22 | Gerald Sussman

Posted on 07/30/2023 6:13:55 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: GreenLanternCorps

“Looking back, the U.S. under Truman began the policy of turning enemies (Germany, Japan) into friends and friends (the important war-time alliance with the USSR) into enemies.”

Yes, that rankled me as well. Our “friend,” Uncle Joe Stalin, should never have been our friend to begin with. If we had had that realization firmly in place, as we should have, we would have managed the war very differently. I think the wisdom of the people would have been far greater than the “wisdom” of the elites.


61 posted on 07/30/2023 11:46:45 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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To: logi_cal869

What is wrong with this article? Well, its basic premise that the Soviet Union in particular and Communism in general wasn’t that bad (or even was acceptable or good). The article calls the Soviets friends: “Looking back, the U.S. under Truman began the policy of turning enemies (Germany, Japan) into friends and friends (the important war-time alliance with the USSR) into enemies.” The Soviet Union was a barbaric totalitarian regime that killed more people than the Nazis. At most, during WWII, The Soviet Union was an ally of convenience. Calling the Soviets “friends” shows that the author lacks a moral compass.

The author criticizes the idea that the two totalitarian regimes should be pitted against each other: “Harry Truman, infamously declared as a senator in 1940 in response to Operation Barbarossa that “If we see that Germany is winning, we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany and that way let them kill as many as possible.” This showed what little regard he had for the Russian and other Soviet people—which became more evident when he became president.” Every freedom-loving person should regret that this didn’t actually happen.

The author opposes helping South Korea against the Northern invasion and preventing Socialists and Communists from winning elections in Western Europe: “During his tenure in the White House, the U.S. helped rebuild the industrial capacity of Western Europe (in large part to prevent communists and socialists from winning elections), but he also launched a war on North Korea, destroying virtually every structure in the country through bombing, including incendiary and napalm weapons.”

The author says: “He initiated the Cold War, massively escalated the military budget, organized NATO, and used atomic weapons on civilian populations in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in large part to block the allied Soviets from gaining territory in Japan in the last days of the war.”

I mean, seriously, it sounds like pure Commie propaganda. He believes that the Communist expansion after WWII shouldn’t have been resisted by the US. Why should I believe what he says about the Ukrainians?


62 posted on 07/30/2023 11:53:52 AM PDT by Czech_Occidentalist
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To: GreenLanternCorps

“A distortion of history so bad, nothing else he says can be taken seriously.”

Agreed.

I followed the link and read/skimmed. The author hates Nazis/Ukraine and loved the communist Soviet Union. Data selections and slanted history follow from that foundation. Also, America and capitalism are bad.

“Harry Truman, infamously declared as a senator in 1940 in response to Operation Barbarossa that “If we see that Germany is winning, we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany and that way let them kill as many as possible.”

I love it. However, the author continues:

“This showed what little regard he had for the Russian and other Soviet people—which became more evident when he became president.”

Boo-who Truman did not like communists.

By the way, on a strictly humanitarian level, I don’t want people to die, be they German, “Soviet,” Russian, or Ukrainian. However, I see no reason to distinguish between communists under Stalin and National Socialists under Hitler. The author plainly hates Nazis and loves commies.


63 posted on 07/30/2023 12:08:05 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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To: Czech_Occidentalist

Ditto.


64 posted on 07/30/2023 12:09:41 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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To: GreenLanternCorps
He blames Truman for North Korea’s invasion of the South,

CITATION????


65 posted on 07/30/2023 12:13:39 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: ChessExpert

yep. I went from IL to GA for a job..like many others.
Many big government DEms who flee the rust belt are ready to switch. But they won’t sqitch when being called names.

Biden is the enemy, not the new immigrant to GA.


66 posted on 07/30/2023 12:29:03 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h g)
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To: logi_cal869

Did you read the article?

11th paragraph, quoted in full.

“ During his tenure in the White House, the U.S. helped rebuild the industrial capacity of Western Europe (in large part to prevent communists and socialists from winning elections), but he also launched a war on North Korea, destroying virtually every structure in the country through bombing, including incendiary and napalm weapons”

Hint: The North Koreans started the war by invading South Korea.

This article was written by a Stalin loving Communist Tankie. It’s worthless chicken vomit.


67 posted on 07/30/2023 12:37:25 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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WOW.
I just looked into this “CovertAction Magazine” you sent us...

It puts forward Nicaragua...
It puts forward Evo Morales...
It protects North Korea...
It supports Malcom X
And a whole list of rants against America!

This website is anti-American to the core.

I’m surprised you post articles from such extremist magazines here on FR.

William Blum was a distinguished member of that magazine.
In 1969, Blum wrote and published an exposé of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in which were revealed the names and addresses of more than 200 CIA employees. He worked as freelance journalist in the United States, Europe and South America. In 1972–1973, Blum worked as a journalist in Chile where he reported on the Allende government’s “socialist experiment”

This is indeed true neo-soviet propaganda.


68 posted on 07/30/2023 2:45:32 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Read it. Enjoy it. Learn from it. I’m here to help.


69 posted on 07/30/2023 2:50:38 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: cowboyusa

“This is nonsense, we were fighting The Soviet Union. AFTER the Cold War, NATO should have been disbanded.”

>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, thanks to NATO Europe remains free today.
Look what happened to Georgia, Moldavia, Ukraine... they were all partly invaded by Russia because... they were not part of NATO!


70 posted on 07/30/2023 3:00:09 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Czech_Occidentalist; All

“President Reagan is rolling in his grave. Not only have some American “conservatives” been defending pre-Bolshevik Imperial Russia for some time, now they are even openly claiming that after WWII the Soviets were the good guys and the US the bad guys. Pure insanity.”

>>>>>>>

I totally agree with your analysis!
FR is indeed infiltrated by a number of pro-russian elements working full heartedly against America’s interests.


71 posted on 07/30/2023 3:03:48 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Blum was at amazing levels of delusions. Among other lunacy he insisted that the Berlin Wall was not to keep people in, but to keep the hungry capitalist hordes out of the Socialist Paradise.


72 posted on 07/30/2023 3:50:59 PM PDT by Krosan
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73 posted on 07/30/2023 3:55:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: CMSMC

“Read just enough of the article to realize the author doesn’t have a clue about history.”

It’s just another anti-America/anti-West screed by a Kremlin paid hack.

The fact is the soviets were an ally of their own necessity. Up until the Germans stabbed Russia in the back with the launch of Operation Barbarossa, the Russians were all too happy with supplying the German war machine with raw materials as well as dividing up countries such as Poland.

Patton predicted the current situation:

“Russia knows what it wants: world domination, and she is laying her plans accordingly. We on the other hand, and England, and France to a lesser extent, don’t know what we want and get less than nothing as the result.”


74 posted on 07/30/2023 4:31:55 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.)
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To: JonPreston

Russia fell out of communism

Now the dnc - rnc govt

Wants to re - instate it - global Diversity

Via ww3 - the ukraine


75 posted on 07/30/2023 4:39:52 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: Firehath

This article is by a crazy communist professor from Portland published in a communist magazine and praised by all the FRCommunists.


76 posted on 07/30/2023 4:46:33 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: Krosan

The brain washed dead

Keep washing up here

On the freerepublic beaches

Taking over too


77 posted on 07/30/2023 4:58:49 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: Firehath

We see in Ukraine today that Russia never “fell out” of chauvinism and imperialism towards its smaller neighbors. Might want to read a history book or two not written by Chomsky before writing your ersatz haiku. FRegards


78 posted on 07/30/2023 5:11:25 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Our monopoly

Church / state religion

Marxism - PC diversity

You must live - think - teach it

Support their crusade - war


79 posted on 07/30/2023 5:24:33 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: packagingguy

“Russia funded the “green” movement in the West”

Exactly.

Earth Day was a construct of the communists, and it’s no coincidence that it’s celebrated on Lenin’s birthday.


80 posted on 07/30/2023 5:41:49 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.)
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