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To: DiogenesLamp

What he USED, as I pointed out, were two terms that need no translation: “naturels” and “indigenes”. Neither is the legal term “Natural Born Citizen”, which was synonymous with “Natural Born Subject” - to the point there were used interchangeably in colonial times:

In February, 1785, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING NICHOLAS ROUSSELET AND GEORGE SMITH.” in which it was declared that Nicholas Rousselet and George Smith “shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, rights and privileges of natural born citizens.”

In July, 1785, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING MICHAEL WALSH.” in which it was declared that Michael Walsh “shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be a citizen of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, rights and privileges of a natural born citizen.”

In July, 1786, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING JONATHAN CURSON AND WILLIAM OLIVER” in which it was declared that Jonathan Curson and William Oliver “shall be deemed adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born citizens.”

In March, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING WILLIAM MARTIN AND OTHERS.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born subjects.”

In March, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING EDWARD WYER AND OTHERS THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken, to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born subjects.”

In October, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING BARTHOLOMY DE GREGOIRE, AND MARIA THERESA, HIS WIFE, AND THEIR CHILDREN.” in which it was declared that Bartholomy de Gregoire, and Maria Theresa, his wife, their children,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, rights and privileges of natural born citizens.”

In November, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING ALEXANDER MOORE, AND OTHERS, HEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that Alexander Moore and others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free citizens of this Commonwealth, & entitled to all the privileges, liberties, and immunities of natural born subjects.”

In June, 1788, the Massachusetts legislature passed, “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING WILLIAM MENZIES, AND OTHERS, THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that William Menzies and others “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free citizens of this Commonwealth, and intitled to all the liberties, privileges & immunities of natural born subjects.”

In November, 1788, the Massachusetts legislature passed, “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING ELISHA BOURN, AND OTHERS, THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that Elisha Bourn and others “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, & entitled to all the liberties, privileges & immunities of natural born Citizens.”


He was not trying to define NBC or NBS.


70 posted on 07/21/2023 3:12:08 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Mr Rogers
What he USED, as I pointed out, were two terms that need no translation: “naturels” and “indigenes”. Neither is the legal term “Natural Born Citizen”, which was synonymous with “Natural Born Subject” - to the point there were used interchangeably in colonial times:

I think we've discussed this point previously. How many times do you see "Citizen" used before 1776, and how many times do you see "Subject" used after 1776?

shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born subjects.

When we try this tactic of "shall be deemed" on a man in a dress, we call him a "tranny."

"Shall be deemed" means "We will pretend."

You do know the difference between pretending and reality?

74 posted on 07/21/2023 3:40:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mr Rogers

This is a good example the use of both natural born citizen and natural born subject in the same naturalization act by Massachusetts from 1791.

https://archives.lib.state.ma.us/bitstream/handle/2452/104609/1790acts0047.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

An Act for Naturalizing John White and Others.

“Whereas John White, …petitioned the General Court to be naturalized, & thereby become intitled to all the rights and privileges of natural born citizens …shall be deemed, adjudged and taken, to be free citizens of this Commonwealth, and intitled to all the liberties, privileges, and immunities of natural born subjects.”


89 posted on 07/21/2023 9:12:12 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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