People like Diogenes and Kerchner and other two-citizen parent birthers, are mentally ill. I think that that maybe they are a subset of what are called “vexatious litigants”, about which much is written in law journals and psychiatric journals. Once they get a notion in their head, like the earth is flat, or sovereign citizens, for example, it is well-nigh impossible to get them to see reason. Here, with this issue, silly little clumps of people have elevated a book on International Law, to a status above the Constitution. Even though its author, Vattel, clearly stated that some countries, like England, bestowed citizenship by place of birth.
Go figure. They are the equivalents of wokesters, who are convinced that life in the hood sucks because of 1619, not because of bad choices and high illegitimate birth rates.
This may also be a result of some offshoot of autism - because people on the autism spectrum, like Great Thunberg, get an idea in their head, and there is not turning them away from it, no matter how much contrary information they receive.
I am kind of sadistic, and I enjoy watching them run around like monkeys, spewing all kinds of silly quasi-legal nonsense and babble. My BFF did a website to address their craziness:
https://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/
I have to admit, it is a hilarious website.
There’s no need to attack DiogenesLamp’s character.
The arguments will stand and fall on their merits.
I remember you now. You are that kook that works with "tee hee" Squeeky Fromme. (She's a nut.)
Even though its author, Vattel, clearly stated that some countries, like England, bestowed citizenship by place of birth.
It may have escaped your attention, but we are not England and our laws deviated greatly from the laws they left us with, especially the laws regarding allegiance. You see, in our legal foundation, people have a right to independence. They have a right to throw off allegiance.
"Subjects" do not have such a right.
They are the equivalents of wokesters, who are convinced that life in the hood sucks because of 1619, not because of bad choices and high illegitimate birth rates.
For a lawyer, your ability to reason sucks.
I love your drafted decision, “Penny”, and your screen name, too.
My usual argument about this goes as follows:
Both of my grandfathers were born in the US to alien parents (1893 and 1895). When they were registered for the draft in 1917, their draft cards had 3 (and only 3) check boxes for citizen status: 1) Natural born; 2) Naturalized; and 3) Alien. Note that these categories were provided by the War Department, not by the registrants. Both grandfathers were designated “Natural born”.
Now, what if the War Department was wrong? Neither man ever naturalized, so they must have been aliens. So, therefore, when my father was born in 1923 to an alien father (and mother, the same arguments apply to my grandmothers), and since he never naturalized, he was an alien, and so am I.
Obviously, an absurd result.
I was taught civics in 11th grade by a right wing patriot. We learned that “born here” = “natural born”. You are also right that this is all about Obama.
Nice post.