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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Do you think illegal aliens are not subject to our jurisdiction? The very categorization of "illegal alien" implies that those in that category are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, because they can be charged for breaking the law.

If you will notice my tagline, I will inform you that those are the words of John Bingham, primary proponent of the 14th amendment in the Congress. It comes from the debates on the 14th amendment, and he clarifies what group of people are to be covered under the 14th amendment.

It is intended to apply to the children "of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty."

It was never intended to apply to the children of illegal aliens who are still required to have allegiance to their home country.

There are other quotes from John Bingham and other people in the debates, which make it quite clear their intent was to provide citizenship to former slaves and people who immigrated here intending to establish a lawful residence.

23 posted on 07/20/2023 5:46:45 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“It is intended to apply to the children “of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.””

In other words, parents to whom no other sovereign has any colorable claim in terms of drafting into its military service, should it somehow get hold of them...


25 posted on 07/20/2023 6:25:51 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: DiogenesLamp; Ultra Sonic 007
If you will notice my tagline, I will inform you that those are the words of John Bingham, primary proponent of the 14th amendment in the Congress.

I will inform you that the citizenship clause was an amendment initated in the Senate by Senator Jacob Howard. Bingham's draft did not even have a citizenship clause.

The Bingham quote in your tagline has nothing to do with th 14th Amendment. It pertains to the Civil Rights Act of 1866. Bingham argued that the CRA was unconstitutional.

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332

Congressional Globe, House of Representatives, 39th Congress, 1st Session, March 9, 1866, pg. 1291

Has the Congress of the United States the power to pass and enforce the bill as it comes to us from the committee? Has the Congress of the United States the power to declare, as this bill does declare, in the words which I propose to strike out, that there shall be no discrim­ination of civil rights among citizens of the United States in any State of the United States, on account of race, color, or previous condition of slavery.

I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Consti­tution itself, a natural-born citizen; but, sir, I may be allowed to say further, that I deny that the Congress of the United States ever had the power or color of power to say that any man born within the jurisdiction of the United States, not owing a foreign allegiance, is not and shall not be a citizen of the United States. Citizen­ship is his birthright, and neither the Congress nor the States can justly or lawfully take it from him. But while this is admitted, can you declare by congressional enactment as to citi­zens of the United States within the States that there shall be no discrimination among them of civil rights?

Obviously, John Bingham was talking about a bill and not about the Fourteenth Amendment which was not even introduced for consideration until several months later.

32 posted on 07/20/2023 8:00:57 PM PDT by woodpusher
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