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To: DiogenesLamp
As directly held in Wong Kim Ark, the child of two aliens, if born within the territory of the United States, is not only born within the jurisdiction, but is born a United States citizen.

Are we arguing about whether or not he is a citizen? Because I have no disagreement with the assertion he is a citizen. He is a citizen.

There is no argument over whether Wong Kim Ark, born to two Chinese citizens, was born within the territory and jurisdiction of the United States and was, therefore, born a citizen of the United States. The United States Supreme Court removed any possible doubt over a century ago. It remains controlling precedent, like it or not.

128 posted on 07/24/2023 3:15:18 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher
As directly held in Wong Kim Ark, the child of two aliens, if born within the territory of the United States, is not only born within the jurisdiction, but is born a United States citizen.

I've read Wong Kim Ark. My recollection is that they go on about residence and domicile. The parents were legal residents, and would have been citizens had the treaty with China not forbidden it.

But this is all still 14th amendment stuff, and has nothing to do with "natural born citizen", which they conspicuously failed to call him.

The United States Supreme Court removed any possible doubt over a century ago.

They may declare what the men with guns will enforce, but I do not count this as proof that they are factually correct. I also have a hard time grasping how anyone can get their truth from someone else's opinion rather than the actual facts themselves.

The Pope may speak "ex cathedra", (so they say), but the court does not.

135 posted on 07/24/2023 5:03:22 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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