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To: volunbeer

Thanks to Russian corruption being kicked out of Europe “your kids
can get good American energy jobs supplying Europe if they want. Why don’t you want those jobs?

Why do you so breezily disenfranchise 40 million Ukrainians after what has happened to American patriots? Conservatives should appreciate their willingness to defend and fight for their nation. Can the same can’t be said of America’s post modern conservative movement? Sadly, not.


100 posted on 06/24/2023 9:20:46 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

I am very sympathetic to the Ukrainian people and know more than a few. My mother has done mission work there since the fall of the Berlin Wall (and in Russia). I have spoken to Ukrainians here in my city who emigrated years ago and many have family that fled the conflict last year.

Their “take” on this is sadness and disbelief at much of the Western media coverage. Much to my surprise, they are somewhat apathetic about which “government” they live(d) under and felt like the Kiev elites were more corrupt than even the Russian “government” (they don’t like either).

My preference would be for Russia to withdraw from the Ukraine and I have always said that. However, my kids come first and their physical and financial security has not improved with this conflict that would NOT have happened if it were not for interference from the West.

The Ukrainian government is corrupt. Horribly corrupt. It has been that way for decades and it won’t change if they somehow sacked Moscow. My “patriotism” has nothing to do with cheering on the corruptocrats in Kiev or in DC.

PS - some sources believe half of the Ukrainian population fled last year and many, if not most, are unlikely to return so optimistically assuming that half those who fled returned that is a population of 30 million in a nation that already had a failing birthrate and systemic problems.

They will also likely maintain a war footing and the simmering tensions between Kiev and the eastern side of Ukraine where they speak Russian are not going to be “better” after this.

This mess has been an epic tragedy from start to finish (whatever that looks like).


124 posted on 06/24/2023 9:38:41 AM PDT by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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