Posted on 06/21/2023 5:50:05 PM PDT by george76
Notice how the Democrats all rally around the big crook.
But most Republicans wouldn’t think of standing up for President Trump!
I should say most Republican Congressmen and Senators.
He should be broken on the wheel.
https://www.medievalchronicles.com/medieval-torture-devices/catherine-wheel/
Adam Clayton Schiff !
Hanged, drawn, and quartered ...
California Rat, tubby Katie Porter is pleased as she is running against this creepy liar for Demented Feinsteins seat
/means nothing. About as tough as Billy Jeff losing his law license for 5 years.
Article I , Section 5, Clause 2
Needed: Restitution.
Consequences.
Ownership.
I’ve seen slightly different vote totals reported for this at different sites. I haven’t seen any republican reported as voting against censure, this time, just some reported as voting “Present” and some not voting at all. I also haven’t seen any Democrats reported as voting other than against censure. Although the vote totals suggest there are currently more open seats than I’d expected or some Democrats also didn’t vote. Censure doesn’t do much, as is often noted, but it does gain the censured a referral to the Ethics Committee for, potentially further investigations and conceivably from where a motion for censure could start. One report claimed 5 GOP members of the ethics committee were among the five or six who voted Present. It hypothesized that so voting there might be part of a strategy anticipating future actions at their committee. I don’t know whether that is true, but perhaps some attempts at so explaining the present votes will occur. At least this time Censure was accomplished; by how many votes is of relatively little matter. In the previous attempt to censure 20 GOP members voted to table it. IIRC the only one who tried to explain those votes was Massie. Wqqho said he doubted the $16M fine included was constitutional. Much as I’d love to see Schiff expelled out of congress and then put in jail I can’t recall ANY case where Congress has censured AND fined a member previously, nor any fines levied by Congress against those few members who’ve actually been expelled. And I do recall the Constitution barring Bills of Attainder. But then I can’t claim encyclopedic knowledge of congressional disciplinary actions, and as a non-lawyer perhaps Bills of Attainder don’t mean quite what I thought they did. But it’s conceivable Massie’s doubts were correct and in sync with his, oft here applauded, reputation for honoring the letter of the Constitution. And if so, voting to table the prior motion, voting for censuring him this time, and potentially voting to expel him on some future vote , even if we can’t reach the needed 2/3 to boot him, should be the desired MAGA course. If there is indeed no precedent for Congress fining its own members, then if a fine were morally deserved it should be accomplished not via congressional fiat, but rather by congressional referral to exec branch Justice to charge him and then judiciary branch for trial.
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1671651701449805825
Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) has also filed a resolution to expel Schiff, though it has not progressed in the chamber.
Photo....
Schiff: This is my shocked look.
The rope, if Trump’s epithet of “pencil necked geek” is accurate, would have to be wound around and around, running into some money as the inches added up.
A Go Fund Me could be started in an instant.
What kind of rope?
One Website said: The best rope for hanging purposes is definitely the so-called “Manila rope” not quite an inch thick. Hemp ropes are more prone to breaking and ropes from artificial fiber often have a slippery surface texture which causes knots to come undone.
In the United States, only Washington and New Hampshire still perform hangings. These jurisdictions follow now-defunct U.S. Army regulations for the punishment.
The military rules demand 30 feet of hemp rope that has been boiled, stretched, and dried. The bottom of the rope should be greased or waxed to make sure that the knot of the noose doesn’t get snagged, and the whole system should be tested with a sandbag dummy before the actual hanging takes place.
The trick to a successful hanging is to have the victim drop an appropriate distance through a trapdoor before the rope goes taut against his neck. If he drops too far, he’ll have picked up so much speed that the noose might decapitate him. If he doesn’t drop far enough, he could remain conscious as he slowly strangles to death. But if you get the “drop” just right, the knot of the noose will snap against his neck—and either kill him or knock him unconscious.
The last major innovation in hanging occurred toward the end of the 19th century, when executioners first developed a systematic way to calculate the drop. Once these “drop tables” were published, a hangman knew that he’d need 7 feet for a slight, 120-pound criminal, but only about 4 feet for a 200-pounder.
Memo to Maliki
How to hang someone without embarrassing your country.
By Daniel Engber
JAN 16, 2007 in Slate.
That would be a tough sell. Nearly every member of Congress that's been expelled was kicked out because they sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War. Only a tiny handful of members have been expelled since then. They did manage to expel Jim Trafficant in 2002, though.
Personally, I would introduce a bill to expunge the censure of Paul Gosar from the congressional record. They could easily pass that along party lines, and there IS precedent to expunge a Censure. That would make Schiff the first member Censured since Charles B. Rangel in 2010 (and before that, Gerry Studds in '83... Bob Dornan, Newt and Joe Wilson received congressional "reprimands" but that is considered "less harsh" than a Censure, and is not read aloud into the Congessional record while the member stands before the House and gets rebuked by them)
I didn't know that. They should go for it for Gosar! I understand MTG wants the House to expunge Trump's impeachment (which one or both I don't know), but I doubt there is any precedent for doing that. Although functionally the House did that when they sat Alcee Hastings, after having earlier impeached him off his judicial seat. Black Democrat, impeached by John Conner's chaired Judiciary committee and Democrat run House, convicted by Democrat controlled Senate as not worthy to sit on a Judicial bench. But after his prior judicial conviction was overturned on a technicality — he was all but technically guilty as charged, they voted he was good enough to sit next to them. But I don't recall they ever formally expunged his impeachment. He was only eligible for the House via affirmative action. Dumb GOP when agreeing to impeach an old GOP judge not long before Hastings, chose not to include the clause to bar him from future office out of pity for him being old and frail and thus unlikely to run again. Onto which Conyers hoisted the young, vigorous Hastings and refused to bar him either.
Rope for “treason” would seem to be deserved. With the proviso that the Framers were very concerned about recent English used of that charge and went out of their way to limit its use. He’d qualify for “treason” charges in essentially every other country, but I’m not quite sure how one earns a legit charge of that under our constitution. There have been very few prosecutions explicitly for it. But certainly under our system conviction and punishment for treason is a judicial, not a legislative responsibility. House can expel him and can also refer him for possible prosecution of treason, but can’t themselves convict and punish him beyond expulsion.
“Censure for Schiff is a “sweetheart” deal.
He should be charged,tried and convicted of treason and marched in front of a firing squad.”
You’re absolutely right, he actively worked to bring down the United States President. He aided our enemies knowingly and willfully.
I suppose they could later rule the second Trump impeachment "trial" had no legal standing, as Chief Justice Roberts did NOT preside over the proceedings, thus violating the Constitutional requirements for an impeachment trial.
In any case...
Censure CAN be expunged (also by a simple majority vote), and HAS been expunged in the past. The most notable example was when the House censured Andrew Jackson along party lines, and then the censure was promptly expunged and removed from the congressional record as soon as the Whigs lost their majority. Republicans need to do the same for the Gosar censuring. Censuring him for "uploading a funny internet parody video we didn't like" was totally baseless grounds for censure.
On a side note, McCarthy utterly failed to do an effective House Censure, certainly from a PR standpoint, but more importantly from a historical standpoint.
Most notably, McCarthy should have maintained order better in the House. You didn’t see Republicans chanting “Paul! Paul! Paul!!!” and Gosar interrupting the proceedings and giving some snide remarks when the House censured him in 2021.
Bang the gavel until the House is in order (use the Sergeant-at-arms if necessary), direct Schiff to proceed to the front of the chamber and make sure he and his fellow Democrats STFU and maintain silence, Then, read the ENTIRE Censure resolution condemning him ALOUD on live television, and have it formally entered into the Congressional record, and he has to suck it up and listen whether he wants to or not. THEN, explain to those listening on television that Censure is a formal condemnation by the House for grave misconduct by one of its members (much worse than a simple congressional Reprimand) that has only occurred 24 times in American history, and thus the weight of the proceedings is something Adam Schiff SHOULD tread carefully on, and that HIS outrageous actions forced the House to act accordingly on this.
Then, direct him to go back to his seat and behave himself while the House is in session.
Schiff and his fellow Democrats can have whatever kind of rally and jeering and “nah nah we wear this as a badge of honor, so THERE!!!” antics in front of reporters once the House has been adjourned or they’re no longer in the chamber.
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