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To: qaz123

so why were the 4473s pulled if this was an irs operation

doesnt make sense


23 posted on 06/17/2023 11:15:13 AM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: joshua c

Exactly....zero sense.

I have a friend that was a supervisor in a Narcotics unit a long time ago. The IRS approached the department and requested help, possibly in the same way the ATF was helping(?), and the department went down the ladder...SWAT, Fugitive Unit, Narcotics. IRS ended up with a Narcotics team. The one my friend supervised.

As the lead agency, the IRS was up front. My friend said it was a train wreck. Once secured, he and his team left the location.

One thing that folks need to understand is, the ATF makes very few arrests regarding violations of “gun laws” other than bad guys having stolen guns or felons being in possession of them. Very few cases are made against gun dealers and law abiding guns owners. Emphasis on “law abiding”. There just simply isn’t that much work for them.

And, contrary to what Biden, the Queen and the Left would have folks believe, existing gun laws actually work. Kelly tried and was denied. That chick VanZeller and her husband went to a gun show to show the world how easy it was and was denied. Fact is, and I can’t give a number other than over 99%(my opinion), of FFLs operate legally and then some, in an attempt to be overly cautious.

So.....in order for the IRS to do what they did, they needed a warrant. The affidavit should prove to be interesting as the ATF form has nothing financial on it.

Which, for me, begs the question: Did the ATF cover up something they wanted and used the IRS agents in an attempt to cover it all up?

These people have been acting above the law for quite some time. Pre-Biden, but it has gone into overdrive under Biden. This is just a more aggressive action than the two clowns walking up on the guy wanting his triggers and then threatening him if he didn’t “voluntarily” give them the triggers. Something they shouldn’t even know he purchased.


28 posted on 06/17/2023 12:01:13 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: joshua c

Proof of sales and income perhaps.


33 posted on 06/17/2023 12:14:04 PM PDT by Ajnin (Don't be a pansy, embrace the fireball.)
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To: joshua c

For analysis, let’s assume it is true that the IRS initiated the whole thing, and pulled in the ATF to assist. The IRS obviously wanted the 4473’s; as reported, the ATF didn’t take them or show much interest.

First possibility that makes sense is that the IRS “believes” (i.e, some informant or political-motivated Karen told them) that the store owner is generating a lot more revenue from selling firearms than he is reporting on his tax returns.

Under a law-abiding regime, that would be handled by requesting that he bring his books and records to an appointment with an IRS accountant.

Second concept is that the IRS thinks someone is buying firearms from the shop and re-selling hem for major profit. But illegally re-selling firearms would be an ATF matter, and the tax problem would be on whoever is doing the re-selling, not the shop owner.


41 posted on 06/17/2023 2:01:43 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: joshua c

Exactly!

Why do they need the 4473’s if this was a tax situation with the owner of the store?

Doesn’t pass the smell test!


54 posted on 06/17/2023 4:18:40 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Disband and Defund the putrid FBI. America does not need an out of control Gestapo)
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To: joshua c

True.


60 posted on 06/17/2023 5:11:13 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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