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20 Armed IRS Agents Raid Gun Store, Seize Purchase Records
OANN ^ | 6/17/23 | Roy Francis

Posted on 06/17/2023 10:36:31 AM PDT by spirited irish

Armed Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive (ATF) agents raided a gun store in Great Falls, Montana seizing all forms that hold buyer’s information during firearm transactions.

According to the Gateway Pundit, the owner of the Highwood Creek Outfitters, Tom Van Hoose, alleged that he has been under surveillance by federal agents for over two years. On Wednesday, 20 heavily armed IRS agents raided his store seizing all Form 4473s in the store.

The agents had arrived early Wednesday morning as Hoose was opening for the day.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfe; corruption; fbi; fedmob; fedmobs; form4473; irs; montana
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To: joshua c

For analysis, let’s assume it is true that the IRS initiated the whole thing, and pulled in the ATF to assist. The IRS obviously wanted the 4473’s; as reported, the ATF didn’t take them or show much interest.

First possibility that makes sense is that the IRS “believes” (i.e, some informant or political-motivated Karen told them) that the store owner is generating a lot more revenue from selling firearms than he is reporting on his tax returns.

Under a law-abiding regime, that would be handled by requesting that he bring his books and records to an appointment with an IRS accountant.

Second concept is that the IRS thinks someone is buying firearms from the shop and re-selling hem for major profit. But illegally re-selling firearms would be an ATF matter, and the tax problem would be on whoever is doing the re-selling, not the shop owner.


41 posted on 06/17/2023 2:01:43 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: qaz123

“Get a copy of the warrant. That has the PC for everything they did.”

The PC is in the affadavit.


42 posted on 06/17/2023 2:06:58 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: spirited irish
WTF? The IRS took.....Form 4473’s?

This makes almost no sense.....UNLESS, they were looking for tax stamp violations associated with “short barreled rifles,” fully automatic weapons, or the sale of suppressors or silencers. Another option might be the failure to register and have a valid tax stamp for self-made firearms or suppressors required to have such a stamp and required by BAFT to be so recorded by an FFL.

If that was the case, then this might make sense. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

I would like to know more of the details, but they will probably come out with time.

43 posted on 06/17/2023 2:17:17 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: qaz123

How much of the sheriff’s budget is funded by the DOJ?


44 posted on 06/17/2023 2:28:21 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: qaz123

You should know that for decades the FBI sent its fug-ups to Butte, Montana. They usually cooled their heels there until decision was reached to fire them or return them to good grace.


45 posted on 06/17/2023 2:41:11 PM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: ridesthemiles

WHERE DID 20 UNITS GO???

In the bunkers safe and I forgot where it is.


46 posted on 06/17/2023 2:46:31 PM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: drypowder

Here is just one more reason to support the FAIRtax!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have a Marxist inspired “progressive income tax and and an IRS!

https://www.fairtax.org


47 posted on 06/17/2023 2:58:24 PM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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To: Gen.Blather

For one thing, the feds can severely affect the sheriff’s funding, his participation in federal equipment giveaways, training and similar money related items.

And there’s the rub ….. the Fed’s have turned into the dealer, local law enforcement the junkie.

Want to submit a grant to DHS for an overpriced Bearcat, kiss the federal ring and we’ll think about it. The reason Bearcats cost what they do is because they can charge the Fed’s whatever they want. It’s the Fed’s.

When all a local county or city has to do is have a bond referendum or fundraiser and buy it themselves.

The Fed’s lure everyone in with their giveaways paid for by the US taxpayer.

The FBI doesn’t have those records. The FBI runs names through NCIC during the NICS check. Those forms are ATF forms and even they’re not supposed to have them. FFLs are required to keep them for a certain amount of years, maybe 7(?). But most keep them or digital copies(store forever on a thumb drive).

They keep the info in the event that a gun is used and recovered in a crime, a gun trace is performed and they can tell law enforcement who they sold it to, absolving them of any liability.


48 posted on 06/17/2023 3:29:06 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: dljordan

The affidavit is part of the warrant.


49 posted on 06/17/2023 3:29:47 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Romulus

That’s the issue isn’t it.

In Montana, probably not a lot. Inner city, a fair amount.

But, even that, those DOJ grants go for specific things or units.

For example, a department wants to establish and old school foot beat unit and applies for a grant. DOJ can find that unit. But it better never be understaffed. Used only for foot beat. And they usually last 2-3 years.

Where the Fed’s hook departments is with task forces. DEA task force officer can bring in 100s of thousands of dollars to a department with seizure money.


50 posted on 06/17/2023 3:32:59 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Bookshelf

Really?

Don’t know anything about Butte, but with a fed salary I wouldn’t be crying about that assignment.

Interestingly, how many folks know about the Giglio Rule and how many federal agents are not allowed to work cases, still get paid as a federal agent, government car, gun, badge, all the perks and they work in the Supply Room.


51 posted on 06/17/2023 3:35:26 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123

I was picking up a gun in my FFL’s kitchen. He was on the phone with the FBI. Suddenly, he straightens up and says, “Try to keep him here!? You’re jackin’ me!” Then he looks over and says, “I’m on hold.”


52 posted on 06/17/2023 3:51:14 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Gen.Blather

Got ya!!!!!

I know you gasped a little.

My buddy, for years, gets denied almost every time because of a name similarity or something.

I buy most everything off the internet and do the transfers at a local shop. From the time I show my ID, CCW card, fill out the form, I might be there 30 minutes depending on other customers. Not him. His is an ordeal. I laugh.


53 posted on 06/17/2023 3:55:22 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: joshua c

Exactly!

Why do they need the 4473’s if this was a tax situation with the owner of the store?

Doesn’t pass the smell test!


54 posted on 06/17/2023 4:18:40 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Disband and Defund the putrid FBI. America does not need an out of control Gestapo)
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To: spirited irish
Obama said that he wasn't coming for our guns but here we are with Biden and company' Obama 3.0 taking away guns.


55 posted on 06/17/2023 4:50:19 PM PDT by jdt1138 (Where ever you go, there you are.)
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To: Vaduz

Well, shoplifting is a major problem


56 posted on 06/17/2023 4:53:21 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives )
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To: Vaduz
"I lost the bunker in a boating accident"..

😁
57 posted on 06/17/2023 4:58:33 PM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: frank ballenger

Nice post.


58 posted on 06/17/2023 5:00:00 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (Pray for President Trump)
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To: Dogbert41

Should be framed, on every Patriot’s wall.


59 posted on 06/17/2023 5:10:34 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was 4a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: joshua c

True.


60 posted on 06/17/2023 5:11:13 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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