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To: silverleaf

It was designed that way as it was reconsider in force, not the offensive, with the armor withdrawing before your heroes hit then with arty.

Soggy Shoigu is an idiot, and a liar.


19 posted on 06/08/2023 7:42:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Ukraine broke through Russia’s first line of defense last night at Lobkovoe. Russian war bloggers not happy.


21 posted on 06/08/2023 7:51:53 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: PIF; All

Mikael Valtersson
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Former officer Swedish Armed Forces/Air Defence, former defence politician and chief of staff Sweden Democrats. Current political and military analyst.

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Mikael Valtersson

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ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN TACTICS MORNING JUNE 8
I must say that I’m both a bit confused and disappointed in the Ukrainian Armed Forces and their behaviour on the battlefield on the Southern front. There might be an hidden tactic that will be seen in the coming days, but what we have seen since June 4th doesn’t look good.

I was very disappointed in the Russian Armed Forces in the beginning of the war and surprised of the combat prowess of the ukrainian forces. While awaiting the ukrainian counteroffensive I expected ukrainian forces to act and perform better than they have. I wonder if it’s a case of underestimating the russian enemy. It seems like the ukrainian forces expected the russians to buckle under pressure and just abandon their positions. I can’t explain the ukrainian tactic otherwise. They are attacking with wave after wave straight into minefields and russian kill zones.

Russians are often accused of using human waves while attacking, but now it seems that the ukrainians do the same against the russian defences. That’s suicide if the enemy stays and fight. Even if ukrainian forces succeed in breaking through one defenceline due to local superiority in soldiers and weaponry they are losing the bigger game with horrendous losses. They must understand that, I’m sure of it. So the only explanation is that they underestimated their russian adversary and expected them to flee.

This underestimation is probably based on the successful information war from Kiev and the west claiming that russians are worthless fighters. That narrative seems to been so successful that ukrainian planners was convinced by their own propaganda that they just to kick in the door, then the entire rotten russian house would fall apart. This might have cost Ukraine any chance of victory this summer. But the chock of reality might cost Ukraine much popular support for the war effort, both in the West and even within Ukraine.

It’s a bit ironic that Ukraine seems to repeat Russia’s underestimating of Ukrainian capabilities and willpower from February 2022.

The picture shows 42 video confirmed ukrainian losses the last days. Sorry for the disparaging figure, it came with the picture.


24 posted on 06/08/2023 7:59:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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