Posted on 05/17/2023 6:44:08 AM PDT by nitzy
I think I've had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself. Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they'll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they're not particularly attached to them.
Here are the facts - actual, confirmed facts - that shape their perspective: The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan's July 2016 memo, etc). These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them. Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew. This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff - who were on TV saying they'd seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn't - all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake. At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn't make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov't when it didn't happen.
We know as fact:
a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign
b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op
c) Steele's source told the FBI the info was unserious
d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying.
Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution - agencies, the press, Congress, academia - gaslit them for another year. Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov't destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin. This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper. GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election.
It's hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov't as a conspiracy... Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don't stand for the Anthem. They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov't official, because they feel most betrayed by them. The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they'd be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period.
This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don't know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it's probably true. They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots. They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don't. It's a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence.
Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution. Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn't just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now. Re: "fake impeachment", we now know that Trump's request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden's $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request. Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a "mistake" - but, ya know, the election's over, so who cares? IT goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr's laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn't have been banned.
Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, "no fair!" That's how they felt about Romney's "binders of women" in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process. And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew. Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real.
Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange - the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc - but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!). Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr's laptop would've been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would've been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof. Even the courts' refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They'll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he'll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house?
It's a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were "protests", but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too. Forget the ballot conspiracies. It's a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system. They knew it was unconstitutional, it's right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn't see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn't implied, it was direct.
a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1
b) The press is part of the operation
c) Election rules were changed
d) Big Tech censors opposition
e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged
f) Trump is banned from social media.
They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov't is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might've kept him alive.
“Trump Federalized the National Guard before he left office. This order has been extended every year by Biden and is set to expire March 25, 2024. Biden has also extended Trump’s EO declaring a national state of Emergency each year. That is still in effect. most of Trumps EOs are still in effect. Pretty odd.”
It’s not odd at all. Only the EOs that are useful to tyrants are being kept alive. It’s how Marxists roll. The odd part might be that Trump issued them in the first place...? For example, why would there need to be a national ‘state of emergency’ declared each year?
The military itself has been compromised, if they were to intervene don’t expect it to be for our side.
“Wherever its going it won’t be where Q said”
I have a degree in Government and International Defense Systems. I don’t need “Q” to figure out the finite number of options we have to take down the deep state criminal syndicate that has hijacked our government.
Right now there is a belligerent force occupying Washington DC. According to the military War of Law manual the military not only has the right but the duty to step in because an act of war has been committed. I fully expect that to happen as soon as the public is red pilled enough so they don’t totally freak out when it happens.
As everyone knows I believe that Trump initiated continuity of government before he left office which means we are operating under military law and he continues to be Commander In Chief. But even if I’m wrong about that the military or some part of the military still has the duty to step in.
Otherwise we are going to end up in a terrible civil war.
“That’s the key to any con game. As long as you are telling people what they really want to believe, they will fool themselves and do all the heavy lifting for you.”
Which is why the left keeps the public “dumbed down”. What John Q Public doesn’t know can’t and won’t hurt or impede the left’s agenda. The left counts on the majority of Americans being too apathetic to bother to search for real truths. And apparently and sadly, they’re right re: that expectation.
Case in point, the 2020 election theft by Democrats. There was and still is enough evidence and proof of that fraud and theft if people really cared to look for it. They didn’t. Same with the proof of the ‘soft coup’ they pulled against Trump for the entire four years of his administration. Probably just as well, since they’re also too apathetic to DO anything about it anyway.
“Otherwise we are going to end up in a terrible civil war.”
I hate to break it (reality) to you, but....we’re already in a civil war. It just hasn’t been officially declared and gone hot YET.
And once again (sigh)....the US military is not going to come swooping to our rescue like the US Calvary in the olde movies.
“I wasn’t aware of the PEADs”
The Biden regime knows about them and they are crazed to get a look. There’s been a good deal of speculation that the FBI raid on Mara-Lago was an attempt to find the PEADs.
“I believe that Trump initiated continuity of government before he left office”
Except this is just fantasy. “Continuity of government” only kicks in if the normal operation of the government is interrupted, and that’s not the case. Elections are still held, Congress is still meeting, the courts still function, etc. So there is no “continuity of government”, and Trump is now just a private citizen like anyone else, and the military answers to a different Commander-in-Chief, whether we like it or not.
“which means we are operating under military law”
No, martial law must be declared. There’s no such thing as “secret” martial law. Otherwise the civil authorities would be in conflict with the military authorities, which is just a recipe for disaster.
“But even if I’m wrong about that the military or some part of the military still has the duty to step in.”
Lots of people have had a “duty to step in”, and for the last century or so, most of them have failed to do so. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
” The military is not going to come swooping to our rescue”
The military is not totally united. Parts of the military have been compromised but not all or I would argue not even a majority. There’s a reason Trump moved command of the special forces just prior to leaving DC.
Have you taken a close look at Trumps security force when he’s travelling? Do you really believe that Trump would still be alive is he was not being protected by the military? Not in a million years.
Sobering thought. And quite believable.
When you are being told by all the “smartest minds” in science that if you don’t listen to them your constituents will all die, I get why he would choose to play the middle road (begrudgingly follow their advice while publicly questioning it).
Even if he fired everyone who gave him bad advice, the same number of people would have ended up died (or maybe even fewer) but every single death would be placed squarely at HIS feet because he didn’t “follow the science”. They tried to create this narrative anyway but nobody really believed it. If the entire medical industrial complex came out with one voice and said he was doing everything wrong, people would have believed it and he would have swung for it.
bkmk
They even hold elections in dictatorships to create the appearance of legitimacy. That is what they will be doing in 2024 and forward.
Either the Republican is a pro-forever wars, pro-globalism, pro-enviro tyranny, pro-surveillance, anti-humanist who will get a fair shot at winning or he won't be those things and they won't let him win. Like it or not, that is the future.
Trump said “I didn’t sign the insurrection act because I wanted people to see how bad it would be if things were run poorly”.
He’s been allowing things to run poorly to red pill the public. There’s no other way to wake some people up than to let them suffer. But I do believe that this is a controlled operation. Its being allowed to happen within a certain circle of control.
Can you list the pieces of legislation that have passed both houses of Congress and been signed by Biden since January 20,2021? I cannot. Other than the CR to keep funding the government I cannot list anything.
I know I keep saying this but why is the government sector of our capital city a bunch of abandoned buildings? There are no government workers walking around. I watch it everyday on YouTube. A few tourists wandering around. Nobody seems to have any curiosity about it. So its doubtful the That the civilian government is in operation in any meaningful capacity.
As far as a declared martial under the war powers act Trump can pretty much do as he pleases so if he set this up to let the Biden bunch act out for public view he has that authority.
I call it the ‘statistical miracle’. A bunch of counties only in swing states, where PDJT was well ahead, happen to ‘stop counting for the night’ and, when counting ‘resumed’, happened to have Biden now on top - by ‘just enough’.
...when it’s only D’s that insist on mail in ballots and ballot harvesting.
Only a fool doesn’t see something wrong, only the corrupt would deny it.
I would argue that if the so called Democratic candidate steals the election in 2024 there would be a move to President for life or extended terms etc.
I also believe by then we would be in open civil war because we are not Central and South America. The American people are used to freedom and they have the guns to back it up.
We also have 50 sovereign states of which some if not all would go their own way. It would be a terrible mess. That’s why I personally believe we will see a military intervention to administer a free and fair election in 2024. The states just aren’t fixing their election problems in any meaningful way that would keep 2024 from being stolen.
“There’s a reason Trump moved command of the special forces just prior to leaving DC.”
Moved command to where? And where are you getting this information? Frankly, it seems as though you are falling prey to conspiracy theorists to me. The current situation is....Trump is NOT in command of the US Military. Prove me wrong.
True!
“Can you list the pieces of legislation that have passed both houses of Congress and been signed by Biden since January 20,2021? I cannot. Other than the CR to keep funding the government I cannot list anything.”
Well, google is your friend. There’s only like 13 pages of legislation that Biden signed up on the White House website:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/legislation/
i hope i live long enough to watch the PBS special on how the will of the people was hijacked to keep Trump from office...
i won’t hold my breath, but it would be nice to do so.
Why on earth would they do that? They just successfully engineered 2 elections in a row.
Why risk a backlash from the people you describe as "used to freedom and they have the guns to back it up" when all they need to do is control the narrative through technology and media so that the people don't believe it was stolen?
You are creating unrealistic, make believe scenarios in your head of things you hope happen. It's not going to happen.
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