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To: Eagle Forgotten
Then explain to me how Trump beat Trump by 11 million votes.

Why would that be a mystery? In 2016, a lot of people thought he was going to be a liberal president, including myself. He's from New York and he has had long association with Democrats and he was socially liberal on homosexuals, so a lot of us wasn't sure what to think of him. We just knew Hillary was a horrible nasty hate bitch and absolutely could not win.

By 2020, we had realized that Trump was the greatest president we had ever seen in our lives. He was better than Reagan. His economic numbers were awesome, his prevention of wars was very appreciated, his working out better deals with other nations was brilliant, his court appointments were good, and he was an all around awesome freaking President.

So of course *HE* would get millions more votes than he did in 2016, but there is absolutely no way to make any sense of that corrupt, stupid, nasty piece of sh*t Joe Biden doing better than Barack Obama, let alone Trump.

IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

Did the Republicans commit massive voter fraud in 2020, to juice up Trump’s total that way?

Are you pretending to be dumb, or are you actually dumb? Republicans have no control over vote fraud. They don't control the big cities. Secondly, as I explained above, Trump got his increase naturally. A lot of wishy washy voters became enthusiastic voters. Trump did an awesome job.

The more plausible explanation is pretty obvious: A lot of states made voting easier (more early-voting days, no-excuse mail-in ballots, etc.), so turnout went up by several percentage points.

Corrupt turnout went up. Fake voters were registered, and ballots were filled out in their names. I believe a team in Arizona identified about 200,000 fake voters on the rolls with "residences" in parking lots and businesses. Corrupt ballot harvesters went to nursing homes and registered all the senile and demented people, and of course the corrupt ballot harvesters voted for them.

People registered felons, and stole votes from other people by voting first by mail.

You clearly have not looked at all the various types of fraud that we've identified since the 2020 election. You haven't been keeping up, so that's why you don't know.

171 posted on 05/02/2023 10:23:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

You’re STARTING with the assumptions that Biden is a “corrupt, stupid, nasty piece of sh*t” and that Trump was “the greatest president we had ever seen in our lives.” That shields you from any difficult analysis. Instead, it’s just circular reasoning: The party I like gained votes because people realized how wonderful we are, and the party I dislike gained votes because of fraud.

You refer to Biden doing better than Obama, and you intone “IT DID NOT HAPPEN.” You’re right, it didn’t. Obama in his first run got 52.9% of the vote. Biden in his first run got 51.3% of the vote.

You write: “You clearly have not looked at all the various types of fraud that we’ve identified since the 2020 election. You haven’t been keeping up, so that’s why you don’t know.”

I addressed that point, too. It’s in my post if you trouble to read it. You’ll see that my post didn’t even try to look at types of fraud. I was addressing only one particular argument: the claim that the overall numbers, by themselves, are proof of fraud. They simply aren’t. That’s why I wrote: “The overall numbers don’t prove or disprove the allegation of widespread fraud. You have to look at the specific cases.”

A system that allows mail-in ballots provides an opportunity for fraud. In addition, however, it provides an opportunity for people (legitimate voters!) to vote even if they’re too sick or too busy or too lazy to go to the polling place on Election Day. You can’t assume that EVERY mail-in ballot was fraudulent. The undeniable truths are: Several states made voting easier in 2020; turnout went up by more than 20 million from 2016 to 2020, which is what you would expect (because of the more permissive rules) even if there was no fraud; and, of the 158 million votes that were cast, the parties’ respective proportions were pretty close to what they’d been in 2016.

The issue with fraud isn’t that Biden, running in a much larger electorate, got more votes than Obama or Clinton had. The issue is that both 2016 and 2020 were unusually close elections. It wouldn’t take all that much fraud to change the result. That’s why I said “to look at the specific cases.” If, instead, you want to go around claiming that the Democrats somehow engineered 20 million fraudulent votes, though, you won’t be persuading anyone except those already committed.


172 posted on 05/02/2023 4:53:53 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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