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Are you happy now, Libertarians?
American Thinker ^ | 21 April 2023 | James L. Swofford

Posted on 04/24/2023 8:06:17 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan

*snip* ... What the Libertarian Party accomplished in 2020 was giving us government vaccine mandates, growing foreign entanglements in a regional European war, huge government deficits, and growing inflation. How did the Libertarian party accomplish this? In three states — Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin — the Libertarian vote total was 4.9, 5.3, and 1.9, respectively, times the Democrat margin in those states. *snip*

Had President Trump won those three states, he would have won 37 more electoral votes for a total of 269. Barring faithless electors, the Electoral College would have ended up tied at 269 electoral votes for each candidate, and the election would have gone to the House of Representatives. In this case each state delegation has 1 vote for a total of 50 votes. At the time, the GOP had a majority in 27 state delegations, the Democrats had a majority in 20 state delegations, and 3 state delegations were evenly split. Barring a collective decision to destroy their own party by a number of Republicans in Congress, President Trump would have been re-elected.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2020; election; libertarians; trump
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To: mountainlion

The libertarian party fits your description of “for less government and more freedom.”.

Unless something changed in the last 8 years or so, the libertarian party is the same as it has been for its entire existence.

Has there been a recent change in the platform?


41 posted on 04/24/2023 4:14:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

“What the Libertarian Party accomplished in 2020 was giving us government vaccine mandates, growing foreign entanglements in a regional European war, huge government deficits, and growing inflation. How did the Libertarian party accomplish this? In three states —”

The writer implies that the Libertarian party is for government mandates, war, deficits and inflation.


42 posted on 04/24/2023 6:27:20 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

That isn’t what the writer is saying at all, he is pointing that is the effect that libertarians have, just as they are blamed for Patty Murray getting into the Senate.

You cut-off the explanation, why?

“How did the Libertarian party accomplish this? In three states — Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin — the Libertarian vote total was 4.9, 5.3, and 1.9, respectively, times the Democrat margin in those states.”


43 posted on 04/24/2023 6:33:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: mountainlion

I just looked at their 2020 platform and it looks the same as it always has, the only difference is their wording is becoming extremely careful as they try to hide their positions and keep them vague, but they are the same as they were more than a half-century ago.


44 posted on 04/24/2023 6:50:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Libertarians are not weeping. They are stoned right now, on pot, because they are dope fiends. They are feeling just fine. And when they don’t feel fine, they will just take another hit!


45 posted on 04/24/2023 6:57:16 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
So are you owning conservative stalwart Ted Cruz's vote for a bazillion dollars for Ukraine? Are you owning the 100 some Republicans that didn't vote a month ago to end the federal Department of Education?

I'll own Biden winning if you own that feces.

46 posted on 04/24/2023 7:02:04 PM PDT by Pappy Smear
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

The problem with libertarians is that many are really libertines who care little about moral values and the culture war. I must admit that I have libertarian leanings, but I’m also concerned about the moral decline of civilization in general.


47 posted on 04/24/2023 7:07:14 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: mountainlion

The last year that I could find full text for the libertarian position was 2004, while the position hasn’t changed they keep the wording short and tight and not so clear now.

COMPLETE 2004 PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
“”THE ISSUE: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

THE PRINCIPLE: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

SOLUTIONS: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

TRANSITIONAL ACTION: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””


48 posted on 04/24/2023 7:14:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12
You cut-off the explanation, why?

The first sentence of the article was a list of charges against libertarians. I may have cut and pasted a bit more than the charges against libertarians. Why would the libertarians give the country the list of things that they are against? The writer paints with to broad of a bush. I do not necessarily agree with his conclusions/theory as to what happened.

49 posted on 04/24/2023 7:18:17 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well those that did not make it back.)
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To: ansel12

if they would balance that with the elimination of all government handouts, I might understand their position. The lack of freebies would kill their desire to be here.


50 posted on 04/24/2023 7:22:40 PM PDT by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: ansel12
I am a registered unaffiliated. I believe in the liberties my ancestors fought for. The demonicrats are not my choice. Gop is a big government/deep state non choice for me also. I thought the libertarians were for less government and leave people mostly alone. The illegals coming across the border are a major invasion by organized foreign powers which I am against. A corrupt bloated government is not in my liking. I want my liberty form oppression. Before the American Revolution liberty trees flew a flag with two words on it, Liberty Unity.
If I am not a libertarian I have little choice.
51 posted on 04/24/2023 7:31:08 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

His point was that by voting libertarian they were in effect voting against the Republicans, those votes cost President Trump reelection according to the writer.

If the libertarians weren’t left, then they would quit doing that, it is how Senator Murray and others got into office, not just Biden and Kamala Harris.


52 posted on 04/24/2023 7:31:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: mountainlion

I have never belonged to a party.

Here is the libertarian agenda according to their platform.

Here is the leftist agenda hidden behind the Libertarian curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody, trans, and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, Fetynal and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


53 posted on 04/24/2023 7:44:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: bankwalker

That is their argument, fire the Border Patrol and open the borders, and it won’t be a problem because the only reason anyone would want to come to America according to the libbers is because of welfare and freebies which they also want to end.

My response to that is fine, end the welfare and the freebies first............and then we will discuss open borders and firing the Border Patrol.


54 posted on 04/24/2023 7:49:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12
Chris Christie paid $175,000 GOP dollars on an attack adds against Tom Tancredo in his bid for Governor of Colorado giving the demonicrats the office over a conservative. Can't trust anyone I guess.
55 posted on 04/24/2023 7:51:25 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

I don’t know what that has to do with libertarians and their national political party.


56 posted on 04/24/2023 8:09:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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