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To: blueunicorn6

What “we” (the West) did in the Ukraine is a travesty. We pushed them towards NATO membership, we interfered in their elections/government, and now we have destroyed the nation in a proxy war against a nuclear superpower that is no threat to us.

People tend to revert to declarative statements such as “Putin invaded” the Ukraine. While the statement is true, it ignores the decades long journey that brought us to this point AND it ignores the FACT that the Russian leaders who preceded him AND diplomats in the West all warned about NATO encroachment into the Ukraine.

Half of the Ukrainian population has fled the country, much of it is destroyed, and tragically hundreds of thousands of people have been killed or maimed.

How would you even calculate the cost-benefit for such a mess? This also assumes that the war does not expand or God forbid go nuclear. Is the Ukraine better off today with NATO membership (promised) and the same corrupt government or if we could revert back 14 months were they better off then? Was Ukrainian leadership and corruption that much better than Russian leadership or neutrality?

As an American, what is the interests of my children and how much has this costs them already and in the future? Has it made America safer to rekindle a Cold War with a nuclear superpower that is now re-militarizing? Has this disaster improved our standing in the world and made us stronger?

As you point out, what is our government trying to hide in the Ukraine? Why did so many of our politicians in both “parties” have so much focus on this nation on the borders of Russia (formerly part of Russia)?

I pray everyday that God will spare us from the Ivy-league morons we have appointed to steer our nation. These are the same caliber of people who just decided to make a beer brand more inclusive. You can change the name, but in reality the VP of Bud Lite is in charge of our diplomacy, military, economy, and nation.


100 posted on 04/15/2023 8:15:52 AM PDT by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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To: volunbeer
You can change the name, but in reality the VP of Bud Lite is in charge of our diplomacy, military, economy, and nation.

How did we get here? Carter caused considerable pain but Reagan won a huge electoral victory. Obama was awful but Trump won in 2016. We thought the Republic was saved. With Biden nominally in charge but the woke gang and bigger security state really calling the shots, the danger to the Republic is huge. The left is using Putin as a political weapon and weakening this nation. Will they and Russia allow any sane peace deal?

101 posted on 04/15/2023 9:31:20 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: volunbeer

Good post.


118 posted on 04/16/2023 11:13:24 AM PDT by Pelham (Joe Biden, Brain of the American Left)
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