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To: Petrosius
Wrong. The war started in 2014 after we fomented a revolution in Ukraine. There would never have been war without our meddling.

Russia repeatedly tried to prevent this war -- 1)with Minsk Agreement, which we had Ukraine sign and renege on 2) In December of 2021 when they came to us with their security concerned and sought to negotiate and 3)In March of last year when they came close to negotiating peace with Ukraine before we the Brits squashed a peace deal in Turkey.

Your narrative is a brazen lie, an attempt to cover up all of the CIA's meddling in Ukraine and other countries, all done as form of modern-day imperialism to benefit our political class.

22 posted on 04/10/2023 4:37:16 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
The war started in 2014 after we fomented a revolution in Ukraine.

Even if true, that would have been no threat to Russia and would have been no cause for Russia to invade. The government of Ukraine is a concern of Ukraine, not of Russia.

The war started in 2014 after we fomented a revolution in Ukraine.

Laughable on the face of it. The war started when Russia invaded in 2014.

1)with Minsk Agreement, which we had Ukraine sign and renege on

Again, Russia reneged. Despite Russian claims to the contrary, Ukraine did pass a law granting autonomy to Donbas. It was Russia who reneged by not withdrawing their forces and not restoring the border to Ukrainian control, which was required by the Minsk Agreement.

2) In December of 2021 when they came to us with their security concerned and sought to negotiate

Russia did not seek to negotiate but to impose. As for their so-called concerns about NATO expansion, by its own bylaws Ukraine could not have joined NATO as long as Russia occupied Crimea and Donbas. Russia knew this, so their claims were nothing but a smokescreen.

v3)In March of last year when they came close to negotiating peace with Ukraine before we the Brits squashed a peace deal in Turkey.

There was no pending agreement because Russia made no commitments to leave Ukrainian territories. The claims of such an agreement is nothing but Russian PR. If this is truly about Russian security concerns, let Russia offer withdrawal from Ukraine in exchange for a treaty guaranteeing Ukrainian neutrality. I am sure that Ukraine would accept such a deal in a heartbeat. That Russia will not offer such a deal shows that their justification for their invasion is just for show.

24 posted on 04/10/2023 5:36:02 PM PDT by Petrosius
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