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To: Bulwyf
Regarding Russia's capabilities, that's on paper. You have to look at the details. Take the Russian armored thermobaric "flamethrower" for example. They have a limited number and they have a limited range of a few kilometers. If they are spotted, then Ukrainian artillery or ATGMs go after them. To be used adequately even in an urban environment you need good artillery spotters who know where the Ukrainians are and who can keep the weapon from killing Russian troops. The Ukrainians aren't stupid, they don't concentrate a lot of forces in an area where one shot by that device or artillery can hit them, which reduces its effectiveness even if it is used.

Regarding the war itself, I don't see NATO borders as magical lines: if Putin succeeds here, he'll go after the Baltics or Poland next. And allowing all of Europe's wealth and technical know-how to join with Russia and China cannot possibly be in US interests, so the US should act to see that Russia gains nothing from this war so it won't be tempted to try again any time soon.

55 posted on 04/08/2023 1:27:47 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15

I haven’t seen such an out of touch paragraph in some time.

China got all the tech it needs from the US decades ago, and we continue to build their economy and military with every purchase. You clearly have no idea of Russian military capabilities and have heavily exaggerated those of the Uke’s. Uke’s are stupid by nature. They love Nazis. I saw this personally in my time there. They actively participated in the festivities. There are many good Ukrainian people, but they’re so poor, they’re nothing but political pawns and human shields for the Uke’s who gun em down when they attempt to flee an area. This whole war could of been avoided, and the idea that Russia is going after more territory after this I find ludicrous. However, if Russia came to Canada, it might be an improvement at this point. US isn’t far behind. The issues we face at home have never been so dire as they are now.

New allies are being formed as the west keeps making more enemies and making the future of our children increasingly dangerous. Hey, let’s just keep prodding war on, what can go wrong? We’re the holy, righteous good guys right?


56 posted on 04/08/2023 1:34:48 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: pierrem15

“if Putin succeeds here, he’ll go after the Baltics or Poland next”

This is wild speculation of the most inflammatory kind.


59 posted on 04/08/2023 1:43:58 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: pierrem15

Regarding the war itself, I don’t see NATO borders as magical lines: if Putin succeeds here, he’ll go after the Baltics or Poland next. And allowing all of Europe’s wealth and technical know-how to join with Russia and China cannot possibly be in US interests, so the US should act to see that Russia gains nothing from this war so it won’t be tempted to try again any time soon.

An earlier post you said “Russia doesn’t have the gloves to take off. It’s simply incapable. Look at Russian aviation. Being unable to overcome UA air defense, they have to fly low and slow, which limits the range and number of bases from which they can operate and leaves them vulnerable to MANPADS. Plus the wear and tear on aging airframes, maintenance issues, etc., seriously reduce the number of sorties. Ground troops lack sufficient mobility and above all training, making them unable to adapt to changing circumstances. This has improved over the course of the war, but recent losses at Vuhledar and Aavdivka suggest not by much.
Putin simply does not have Stalin’s ability to coerce new divisions into existence. Russia’s political weakness also hamstrings its operations because Putin cannot call up troops from the major metropolitan areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg because of fear of the political fallout. The Russian government is also wracked by internal political struggles with possibly deadly consequences for the higher ups. Shoigu’s daughter and her family are cooling their heels in the UAE for a reason. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the system. Like Hitler, Putin plays favorites and sets commanders against one another and gives orders impossible or destructive to fulfill.”

Which is it? They can’t be that worthless and at the same time be a threat to take over all of Europe.


78 posted on 04/08/2023 9:29:18 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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