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EV owners are increasingly frustrated with home charging, and it should worry every electric car maker
Yahoo! News ^ | March 16, 2023 | by Nora Naughton

Posted on 03/17/2023 6:05:36 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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1 posted on 03/17/2023 6:05:36 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If we just made it a FELONY for any public employee in the country to use an ICE mode of transportation, it would all be fixed...


2 posted on 03/17/2023 6:08:46 AM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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They’ll just tax gasoline up the wazoo and force insurance rates on ICE Vehicles to skyrocket.


3 posted on 03/17/2023 6:10:06 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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It was no surprise that increased electricity use would raise electricity prices.

4 posted on 03/17/2023 6:21:13 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So when you increase demand, the price goes up. Who knew?


5 posted on 03/17/2023 6:23:37 AM PDT by Bernard (“the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." JFK 1-20-61)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There’s a simple solution to the problem:
EV owners should have gas-powered generators mounted on trailers for towing on long trips.


6 posted on 03/17/2023 6:24:37 AM PDT by tsomer (ally )
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7 posted on 03/17/2023 6:24:40 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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Is that Chaz Bono?


8 posted on 03/17/2023 6:25:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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For that pic, add the cost of upgrading the breaker panel, running the wiring to code, purchasing the charger module and mounting it.

When we built our current house, we pre-wired it for a charger, so we incurred ‘only’ a $600 cost to purchase and mount the charger.

Also, we have ONE plug-in car and two ICE cars. Additionally since we live in the boonies, we put 10 kW of solar power on the roof with a big battery, so our ‘EV’ charges affordably.


9 posted on 03/17/2023 6:26:02 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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Chaz is a little plumper 😏


10 posted on 03/17/2023 6:29:49 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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TOLD YA!! I told my wife that they are demanding everyone has electric cars at a time when we are having brown outs because of lack of electricity. I told my little Lady that this would be the first thing. They whine about gas prices and killing mama earth with gas fumes, well how about building a nuke plant in every state to cover all these billions of electric go carts they want us to buy.


11 posted on 03/17/2023 6:29:59 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The SIGNS that Christ spoke of in Matt 24, Luke 21 & Mark 13, are converging together in these days.)
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There are many reasons to not get an EV. But home charging isn't one of those reasons. Home charging makes keeping an EV going less time consuming than keeping an ICE car going (at least for driving around town).

Virtually every homeowner with an EV sets the EV's scheduler to charge at off-peak hours. Those with an older EV (with no built-in scheduler) buy an EVSE (the wall charger, but it's not really the charger, but that's another topic LOL) with a scheduler feature.

But the part of the article speaking of skyrocketing power rates, that's 100% accurate. The EV owners who are into the "green" movement (I bet it's over 90% of EV owners) are hurting themselves by pushing for banning fossil fuels and making power more costly to produce. In my Friday power bill, the actual per kWh charge (after adding in riders and state tax) was up 20.8% over Friday last year.

TWENTY POINT EIGHT INFLATION RATE in cost per kWh.!! And that's in Alabama where we have only a few expensive solar panel plants for the grid to tokenly pacify the Dim greenies but not really add to the mix. When Obama and Brandon force our power utility to shut down coal plants they replace it with more natural gas fueled power, which is dependable power. So when Brandon limits drilling for natural gas and makes the cost of natural gas go up, that extra cost the power utility pays for natural gas is added onto the cost per kWh they charge us. That's most of our increase in our power rates. The Dims own that.

12 posted on 03/17/2023 6:31:46 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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So you can only drive your EV at night, since you’re using solar to charge it during the day?

And if you say the solar is charging its own batteries during the day so you can charge the car at night then you have 40k worth of batteries (car and solar) that will have to be replaced at least every ten years.

Great if you can afford it but most people don’t find spending $40k on batteries to be a good option.


13 posted on 03/17/2023 6:35:43 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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14 posted on 03/17/2023 6:35:54 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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When we built our current house, we pre-wired it for a charger, so we incurred ‘only’ a $600 cost to purchase and mount the charger.

True that. As a fellow solar and EV owner, I concur with EV circuitry and solar installation costs being a lot cheaper when done at construction. And there are tons more energy saving things to do to the house that are much cheaper at construction than doing it later like I did.

My payback period for the expense of my overall energy project is about 10-12 years, including paying interest on the loan I took out to pay for it all. But if it was done at construction time all of my improvements and more would have been both cheaper and more efficient, making the payback period probably 8 or so years.

15 posted on 03/17/2023 6:38:34 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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Well isn't it obvious? We just need more SOLAR FARMS!
16 posted on 03/17/2023 6:38:39 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Tell It Right

I’d hate having to plug the throttle my in every I parked it. I just want close the door and walk away. Maybe if there were some sort of charging plate in the floor that one could just park over…


17 posted on 03/17/2023 6:45:56 AM PDT by glorgau
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If EV owners don’t like it now, then wait until government is successful of jamming EV’s down everyone’s throats and the electricity grid fails.


18 posted on 03/17/2023 6:46:02 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("How did you go bankrupt?" Bill asked. "Two ways," Mike said. "Gradually and then suddenly." )
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And if you say the solar is charging its own batteries during the day so you can charge the car at night then you have 40k worth of batteries (car and solar) that will have to be replaced at least every ten years.

I think you over estimate the costs and underestimate the replacement time frame a wee bit much. I don't know about him, but my solar batteries are warrantied for 19 years. Each of my three cabinets of batteries contain about 30kWh of storage each and cost $10,500 per cabinet (one cabinet being 6 batteries). Since I don't let my home solar batteries drain more than 70%, let's call it $10,500 for a usable 21kWh of battery storage. And since my EV gets over 3 miles per kWh (local driving), that's 65 miles of driving around town to charge from a home $10,500 home stack. And that's assuming charging only at night (i.e. a 9-5'er working in the office) and not charging some during the day (on weekends, or if you work from home or are retired).

When I did the math on whether or not I should get solar and/or an EV, and if so then how much, I took all of that into account. Another thing is it doesn't have to be 100% effective. In other words, us FReeper solar owners aren't like the greenie Dims saying that success means completely eliminating fossil fuel power. Instead, success to us means the benefits far outweigh the costs so that our solar system mostly protects our finances from the Dims' stupid energy polices, if not completely. So in my case I have to buy about 25% of my energy -- our solar and EV in our all-electric home protects us from about 75% of the sky high energy costs the Dims want everybody to pay.

19 posted on 03/17/2023 6:51:43 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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“So when you increase demand, the price goes up. Who knew?”

The little commies in the American public have no clue.


20 posted on 03/17/2023 6:54:47 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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