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Senators are considering raising the retirement age to 70 and are looking at a $1.5 trillion investment fund to overhaul Social Security and stop funds running out by 2032
Daily Mail ^ | 1 March 2023 | NIKKI SCHWAB

Posted on 03/01/2023 4:17:05 PM PST by artichokegrower

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To: rb22982

Okay, Rob. I give up.

What is SPY? VTI?


101 posted on 03/02/2023 1:29:55 AM PST by Laslo Fripp (Semper Fidelis)
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To: artichokegrower

But payments to people who never worked a day in their lives will roll right along unabated.


102 posted on 03/02/2023 1:44:18 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America.)
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To: central_va

You mean like a lockbox?


103 posted on 03/02/2023 1:50:19 AM PST by Laslo Fripp (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Sequoyah101

I delayed mine too working as long as possible at a regular job. If my company had not been sold and lost my job I might still be working at age 76.


104 posted on 03/02/2023 2:53:34 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: artichokegrower

Or they could just go back to the original plan and restore Social Security ae a retirement plan for legal workers instead of the cobbled-together welfare plan it has become.

That means they would (should) stop paying money from the Social Security “Lockbox” to all illegals plus loafers, bums and any others who have not contributed to Social Security through deductions from wages earned by actually working.


105 posted on 03/02/2023 3:26:14 AM PST by Iron Munro ( Michael Byrd: "Well, Somebody had to do it - Babbitt wasn't gonna' shoot herself!")
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To: Laslo Fripp

SPY is the ticker symbol to buy the S&P 500. VTI is the Vanguard total stock market index fund that proportionally owns all public US stocks.


106 posted on 03/02/2023 4:04:51 AM PST by rb22982
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To: artichokegrower

Raising the retirement age is probably the least painful means of shoring up the ponzi scheme that is Social Security....though of course, it will be hugely unpopular.

Alternatively, we could refuse to reform it in which case the government will stoke massive inflation so as to pay off their obligations with devalued dollars - ie a constructive default.


107 posted on 03/02/2023 4:32:04 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: artichokegrower

Got to work longer to pay for Ukraine, student loans, and illegal aliens!


108 posted on 03/02/2023 4:33:45 AM PST by Vision (Woke is communism and it has no place in America. Election Reform Now! Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: FLT-bird
Raising the retirement age is probably the least painful means of shoring up the ponzi scheme that is Social Security....though of course, it will be hugely unpopular.

Especially with age discrimination so rampant.

109 posted on 03/02/2023 4:35:54 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: steve86

You’re an idiot....


110 posted on 03/02/2023 5:21:07 AM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: Lazamataz

I am in my 60s and self employed. I would hate to have to look for a job at my age. OTOH I don’t expect to ever retire (at least while I am still able to get upright).

I have been paying into Social Security since I was 14. Even if I retired at the current full retirement age of 67, I would never get out what I have paid in over the past 50 years.


111 posted on 03/02/2023 8:03:53 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy ( Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: meyer

I have been paying into Social Security for almost 50 years now, since I was 14. The past 25 years I have been self employed, so I get to cut a check for both the employer and employee halves every quarter. Even at my age, I would happily accept the principal amount that I have paid in with no interest in lieu of any benefits, if I could also stop having to pay in for the rest if my life.


112 posted on 03/02/2023 8:10:57 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy ( Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: FLT-bird
Raising the retirement age is probably the least painful means of shoring up the ponzi scheme that is Social Security

They will probably raise or eliminate the cap on how much you have to pay in each year first, because rich people need to pay more. The top 1% only pay 50% of all taxes. Democrats won't be satisfied until they pay 100% (with the bottom 50% on the federal dole).

113 posted on 03/02/2023 8:20:40 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy ( Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: rb22982

Thank you.

Something I would never hear from my Fidelity advisor!


114 posted on 03/02/2023 9:23:45 AM PST by Laslo Fripp (Semper Fidelis)
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To: artichokegrower

Got to say I would never have been able to do it. Taught 7th graders for 32 years. Retired at 61. Only know one teacher who still taught at 70. God love her.


115 posted on 03/02/2023 9:28:05 AM PST by mware ( )
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To: Laslo Fripp

I am a finance expert, more on the corporate finance side than personal but pretty darn good with both. Happy to answer any questions you ever have!


116 posted on 03/02/2023 12:45:10 PM PST by rb22982
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To: artichokegrower
It ought to be raised to 75 in 50 years and 80 in 100 years, based upon possible (likely?) longer, healthier lives in the future. Then if that doesn’t happen, lower it. It’s a lot easier to give benefits earlier than assumed then take them back.

But this won’t happen because politicians are DUMB, CROOKED, and ONLY CARE ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED.

117 posted on 03/02/2023 1:57:27 PM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free (o )
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To: Sequoyah101
...They opted out of SS but they also did not throw the people to the wolves of wall street...

Somehow I have managed to coexist with the "wolves of Wall Street" for 60 years and my investments have done a whole lot better than SS.

If someone had done nothing more clever than putting 15% of his earnings into SPY for a lifetime he would be far better off than the average SS recipient. How do I get 15%? Employee plus employer contributions to SS & Medicare are 15.3% (7.65% each). Add in 10% to an IRA and the average Joe should be rolling in cash before he is 55. A savings rate of 25% produces astounding results.

Of course education is necessary, but a program that keeps most people invested in the American economy (SPY or TSM) does well, and helps us all make patriotic decisions. If every citizen has a significant investment in the US and a future prosperity based on the total American economy we will be a much stronger country.

118 posted on 03/03/2023 12:45:52 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Rurudyne

That’s the most logical explanation for it that I’ve yet heard. Thanks.


119 posted on 03/03/2023 6:19:17 AM PST by desertsolitaire (Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes.)
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