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To: higgmeister
As as a Southerner growing up in rural Georgia, I heard Southern Baptists say, "the Jews killed our Savior." I will not single the Baptists out because many of Methodists and the Church of Christ congregations in the rural South believed the same. Jimmy Carter was steeped in these old timey bigoted beliefs. In those times they would have hardly recognized their own bigotry because to them, everyone understood and believed that way.

I find that an absolutely incredible thing for you to say. While historical chrstianity is indeed historically anti-Semitic and blames the Jews for killing Chrst, American Fundamentalist Protestantism (very much including Southern Baptists) believe in the Calvinist doctrine of "penal substitution" (considered a heresy by historical chrstianity). This means they believe G-d did it and there's nobody to be mad at. Furthermore in an entire lifetime in the Bible Belt I have never heard and anti-Semitic sermon from any of them, and many of them have been extremely philo-Semitic and pro-Israel (certainly more so than the more classical forms of chrstianity).

I really find your claim hard to believe. Even if they were anti-Semitic the crucifixion would have had nothing to do with it, since they believe that Christ experiencing the equivalent of an eternity in hell on behalf of every human being was absolutely essential to the salvation of a single person.

180 posted on 02/18/2023 5:17:43 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Wow!   I tell you what I heard in a rural Baptist Church when I was a kid and you find it hard to believe?   Was it hard for you to believe that the KKK existed in the rural South in the 1950s?   Go soak your head.   I was there and you weren't.

I've got more experiences from back then that would make you cry.

218 posted on 02/18/2023 11:16:22 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"While historical chrstianity is indeed historically anti-Semitic and blames the Jews for killing Chrst, American Fundamentalist Protestantism (very much including Southern Baptists) believe in the Calvinist doctrine of "penal substitution" (considered a heresy by historical chrstianity). This means they believe G-d did it and there's nobody to be mad at. Furthermore in an entire lifetime in the Bible Belt I have never heard and anti-Semitic sermon from any of them, and many of them have been extremely philo-Semitic and pro-Israel (certainly more so than the more classical forms of chrstianity).

I really find your claim hard to believe. Even if they were anti-Semitic the crucifixion would have had nothing to do with it, since they believe that Christ experiencing the equivalent of an eternity in hell on behalf of every human being was absolutely essential to the salvation of a single person."

Uh, you need to get out more. In the South. It wasn't 25 years ago that Southern Baptists voted to convert Jews to Christianity, and directed their domestic missionary agency to draw up a program targeting Jews and get on it!

You don't get to that point by believing Judiasm is a legitimate religion, or at least our brethren in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

228 posted on 02/19/2023 12:05:57 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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