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1 posted on 02/06/2023 1:27:31 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Man50D; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; Voter#537; ...

OK, FAIRtaxers, have at it!

Let us work together to push the FAIRtax issue in 2023!

Go to https://www/fairtax.org to get involved, please!


2 posted on 02/06/2023 1:31:07 PM PST by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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To: Taxman

The national sales tax is a perfect, simple, tax which is why the bureaucrats in Washington, who make the tax code complex and difficult in order to keep their jobs, absolutely hate the idea.

A national sales tax means if you can afford lobster, you pay a higher tax than the guy buying bologna. If you can buy a top-of-the-line vehicle, you’re going to be paying a higher tax than the guy picking himself up a cheap used Ford Focus. It’s the only real, fair tax.

But MOST importantly, it makes sure the government is promoting prosperity (unlike, for example, right now). If the economy is good and people are buying things, government makes more money. If the economy stinks, government has to do with less.

Under those circumstances, you bet government is going to do its best to keep people buying and the money rolling in.


3 posted on 02/06/2023 1:37:48 PM PST by JennysCool ("It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." - Mark Twain)
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However, if the family spends more than $3,287 per month on new goods and services, they, they will have to pay the 30% tax exclusive rate on the excess amount. If the family spends their entire income of $3,333 per month, they will pay the FAIRtax on only $46 per month, $3,333 minus $3,287. That means they will pay just $13.80 per month or $165 a year out of their own pocket.

Implementation of this means the gubment tracks where you spend your money. No thank you. There's a reason lots of people like to pay in cash.

4 posted on 02/06/2023 1:38:12 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Taxman

Older retired people have very little income,
live off of their savings and social security,
pay very little in the way of income taxes,
and do not want to pay a national sales tax.


5 posted on 02/06/2023 1:43:03 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: Taxman

While the FAIRtax is a potentially good idea, I prefer a flat tax of 15%. First $35,000 is tax free and then you pay 15% on everything after.


6 posted on 02/06/2023 1:50:00 PM PST by DMD13
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The present progressive income tax system has been a massive transfer of wealth for a long time. They will not let go of that easily.


10 posted on 02/06/2023 2:02:22 PM PST by VinnieCCT
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Very wealthy people save and invest. Mostly that is why they have a bigger chunk of Cash. If you will notice as we lowered the taxes of very upper class and even moderately wealthy persons they become more and more Democrat. So unless they really spend massive amounts of their money they end up the winners. It’s just like the poor. The less they pay in taxes and the more they receive from welfare state the less they care about spending. The rich can have their lower taxes and get their government contracts, subsidies and spend government money on their pet projects (especially since they run both parties). The flat tax is clearly self defeating.


11 posted on 02/06/2023 2:05:35 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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• We get to keep our whole paycheck and pay taxes only when we make retail purchases of new goods and services.

You would think this would be something the people would want?

15 posted on 02/06/2023 3:08:53 PM PST by Pajamajan ( PRAY FOR OUR NATION. Never be a peaceful slave in a new Socialist America)
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The “fair” tax is simply to large for me to support this particular incarnation of it.

No more than 10%. When you consider all the massive taxes collected on everything they can live on 10%. They just would have to stop the unchecked spending sprees they will not stop themselves from doing.

No more than 10%, and I am on board. IRS can then go bye bye which would help cut expenses.

This will never happen, however. DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH.

Taxes in this country have zero to do with covering debt. Taxes are all about control and punitive penalties over regular people. Even former fed chairs have admitted this truth.


19 posted on 02/06/2023 5:47:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Tariffs are better than the Fairtax. Why? Tariffs raise revenue, are optional and most importantly they PROMOTE DOMESTIC INDUSTRY.

The Fairtax would be my second choice.

26 posted on 02/06/2023 8:04:03 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Thank you for referencing that article Taxman.

"THE LIES AND UNTRUTHS IN THE ATTACKS ON THE FAIRTAX"


Regarding the FAIRtax, beware of federal government “remedies” for crises created by the untrusted federal government.

To begin with, patriots are reminded that Thomas Jefferson had noted that all federal revenues of the constitutionally limited power federal government were (originally?) based only on tariffs that wealthy people paid for their imported, foreign-made goods (my wording).

The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied [emphasis added]. … Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.” —Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

Next, regardless what FDR's state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices wanted everybody to think about the scope of Congress's Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), not only had the 19th century Supreme Court emphasized the already reasonably clear meaning of that clause, that Congress does not have the express constitutional power to regulate INTRAstate commerce, but neither does Congress have the express constitutional power to regulate intrastate commerce by means of taxing intrastate commerce (my wording)!

Regarding the Trojan Horse 16th Amendment (16A), proposed to the states by Congress which the states ratified in 1913, some people argue the following about that amendment. They say that when the states ratified that amendment they surrendered to the federal government most of the unique, 10th Amendment-protected powers to serve the people that Justice Joseph Story had clarified belong uniquely to the states. The congressional record also shows that Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had basically said the same thing.

H O W E V E R...

Compare Justice Joseph Story's mention of 10th Amendment healthcare in 1833 (above) with the excerpt form Supreme Court case of Linder v. United States, 1925 (below), Linder decided about 12 years after 16A was ratified. Those before and after 16A ratification clarifications of state power healthcare are clear indications that the states had not surrendered their unique healthcare powers, for example, to the feds, regardless of 16A imo.

“Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress [emphasis added].” –Linder v. United States, 1925.

As far as I'm concerned, rich people and corporations can not only pay for all unconstitutional, unaccountable spending of the big, bad federal government, but they can have the job of policing against unconstitutional federal spending.

The inevitable remedy for ongoing, corrupt post-17th Amendment ratification political party treason (imo)...

All MAGA patriots need to wake up their RINO federal and state lawmakers by making the following clear to them.

If they don’t publicly support either a resolution, or a Constitutional Convention, to effectively "secede" ALL the states from the unconstitutionally big federal government by amending the Constitution to repeal the 16th and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments (16&17A), doing so before the primary elections in 2024, that YOU will primary them.

If the proposed amendment was limited strictly to repealing 16&17A, relatively little or ideally no discussion would be needed before ratification of the amendment imo.

With 16&17A out of the way, my hope is that Trump 47 becomes the FIRST president of a truly constitutionally limited power federal government.

In the meanwhile, I'm not holding my breath for significant MAGA legislation to appear in the first 100 days of new term for what may still prove to be another RINO-controlled House.

Trump will hopefully do another round of primarying RINOs for 2024 elections.

27 posted on 02/06/2023 8:19:40 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Taxman

Scenario...

Three guys rent a house together. For purposes of the probate, is this three single member qualified families at the same address or one single member family? Will this raise red flags with the tax authorities for multiple families at a given address?


33 posted on 02/07/2023 3:11:31 PM PST by Database
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Rd later.


39 posted on 02/08/2023 6:10:05 AM PST by NetAddicted (MAGA2024)
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Thanks Taxman. I hope the conversation advances!


72 posted on 02/15/2023 7:46:24 AM PST by Principled (Biden is illegitimate and whatever he says can be ignored. )
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