Posted on 01/10/2023 12:30:56 PM PST by delta7
Russia and Ukraine have publicly agreed on a fundamental and important issue.
The question is who Russia is fighting in Ukraine.
During an interview with a Ukrainian TV station the Oleksii Reznikov, the defense minister of Ukraine, answered that the Ukraine has "already become a de facto member of the NATO alliance."
The interview, given four days ago, is available on Youtube. English language subtitles can be generated by autotranslate. The sentence pictured above comes at about 1:25 minutes in.
Sputnik, which seems to be the only international outlet that has picked up on this, has more (from ~11:05 min):
“At the NATO Summit in Madrid” in June 2022, “it was clearly delineated that over the coming decade, the main threat to the alliance would be the Russian Federation. Today Ukraine is eliminating this threat. We are carrying out NATO’s mission today. They aren’t shedding their blood. We’re shedding ours. That’s why they’re required to supply us with weapons,” Reznikov said ... The official said Kiev was being constantly reminded by its “Western partners” that it, “like a real shield, is defending the entire civilized world, the entire West,” from the Russians, and said that he personally has recently received holiday greeting cards and text messages from Western defense ministers to that effect.
Reznikov expressed “absolute” certainty in Ukraine’s eventual entry into NATO, saying he was “convinced that this is an absolutely realistic possibility... Of course they won’t accept this political decision via consensus before our victory. This is clear. But after the victory, after all this ends and some kind of peace arrives, NATO countries, first and foremost, will be interested in the construction of this security architecture. They have seen their own weak spots, they have seen who is strong and powerful. Today they are teaching us but tomorrow our officers, sergeants and even privates will be teaching them how to fight the Russians. Russia remains one of the threats to NATO, and for Europe as a whole.”
Reuters reports today that the Russian government agrees with the core of Reznikov's view:
Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev is seen by diplomats as one of the major hardline influences on Putin, who has promised victory in Ukraine despite a series of battlefield setbacks. "The events in Ukraine are not a clash between Moscow and Kyiv - this is a military confrontation between Russia and NATO, and above all the United States and Britain," Patrushev told the Argumenti i Fakti newspaper in an interview.
"The Westerners' plans are to continue to pull Russia apart, and eventually just erase it from the political map of the world," Patrushev said. ... Asked about Patrushev's remarks, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said NATO and the United States were part of the Ukraine conflict.
"De facto they have already become an indirect party to this conflict, pumping Ukraine with weapons, technologies, intelligence information and so on," Peskov told a regular news briefing.
As both sides now seem to agree on the real participants of the conflict we can assume that they will later also come to an agreement about its outcome. That however will still take a while.
The heavily fortified Ukrainian strongholds in Bahkmut (Artyomovsk) and Soledar are about to fall. The long fight over these cities has come at a high price particularly for their defenders. All the reserves the Ukrainian command has thrown into them have been ground up by massive Russian artillery applications.
Other reserves the Ukrainian army is still training up are waiting for new supplies of 'western' weapons. But what has been newly promised, mostly infantry fighting vehicles (aluminum cans), will only become available in late spring. The most likely plan the Ukrainian command will want to pursue is a move south towards Mariupol (bottom right) to severe the Russian land connection to Crimea.
There is however only a small chance that such a move during spring could be successful. Until then Russia has the time to make its own moves.
You two parrot Russian nuclear threats all the time and I’m merely suggesting you two might someday answer to law enforcement for those actions. Especially if your Russian friends immolate a few million Americans and you two clowns celebrate it.
And then you whine about it. Get real.
“Sure, sure, ping me when the non-existent EU army invades Hungary.”
In case you haven’t noticed, the EU has a huge army at its disposal, and uses it in Ukraine, and did use it in Serbia (another war of aggression by the West).
To those citizens who don’t conform of course, who’s ideology has been deemed impure
Gonna have to rate that a “pants on fire”, Bob. NATO is not the EU, and NATO isn’t even in Ukraine.
“Gonna have to rate that a “pants on fire”, Bob. NATO is not the EU, and NATO isn’t even in Ukraine.”
Well, even UKRAINE states that Russia is fighting NATO. So, if not in Ukraine, then where?
Oh yea, forgot, the fighting is going on in the new areas of Russia, so I guess you are right.
Come and get me copper......
“Well, even UKRAINE states that Russia is fighting NATO.”
Well, that’s your self-serving summary of Ukraine’s statement, but it isn’t what Ukraine actually said.
“So, if not in Ukraine, then where?”
Well, NATO troops are located in NATO countries, since NATO is primarily a defensive alliance and, you know, isn’t actively invading some foreign country right now.
😂😂😂
Sounds like veiled threats against two of your fellow FReepers just because they have opinions that differ from yours.
They make nuclear threats at other Freepers all the time yet where’s your objection to that?
They’ve threatened to nuke FReepers? 😳
Read their posts that have the word “nuclear” in them.
Then let’s say Russia carries out the attack these two keep threatening about and war exists between the US and Russia.
Would it be farfetched to imagine these people being investigated and visited by the FBI?
You need to take your meds and shut your lying mouth lady.
“You need to take your meds and shut your lying mouth lady.”
How about you and your little friends stop parroting Russian nuclear threats and whatever other talking points of the day Minister Lavrov issues?
“Then let’s say Russia carries out the attack these two keep threatening about and war exists between the US and Russia.”
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Oh, good grief. Both the U.S. and Russia have nukes. The threat was mentioned daily during the Cold War. “These two” are merely bringing up that the possibility exists. And it does. Accusing them of “threatening” people with nukes is ridiculous.
Talk about mentioning nukes, have a look at Post 15 here. Is this OK with you?
“To: Travis McGee
I would rather the world end in nuclear war than yield to Little Pukin.
15 posted on 10/12/2022, 6:02:03 AM by SpeedyInTexas (RuZZia is the enemy of all mankind)”
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4099982/posts?page=15#15
That’s a nice Dodge you have there.
Nice try.
You know darn good and well your silly accusations are just pot-stirring.
Give it a rest.
What accusation? The two clowns know what they post. So does everyone else. It’s no secret.
I’m not going to get caught up in one of your twisted, tiresome little Megan-loops, so can it.
You know what you’re doing and you think you’re being clever. Stop with the leftist B.S. tactics against FReepers.
I will leave it at that.
No. I will continue to call people out when they take sides against my country.
It’s one thing to disagree with US foreign policy. I do it all the time.
It’s another to keep repeating threats of Russian nuclear war against America and Americans.
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