Posted on 12/29/2022 3:55:18 AM PST by caww
Putins spent years warning the US/Nato and European leaders.....it’s not like they didn’t know this was coming..and in fact encouraged it...planned it...and executed all the necessary environments for this to happen - and here we are.
Stunning was how easy the Ukrainian men swallowed the bait .....now they’re dying in droves.
Stunning was how easy the Ukrainian men swallowed the bait .....now they’re dying in droves. ==
That is because they are stupid by birth.
Well Zelensky’s/ o’Bidens propaganda machinery was well into place long before Russia entered Ukraine....so Zelensky hit the ground running with his tours and videos...over and over again. Since they cut off any Russian news sources immediately people only had Ukraines take....so of course the ‘masses’ in Ukraine took it all in. UNTIL Zelensky said all men had to fight or be arrested. Then we saw numerous attempts to leave the country anyway they could get out. Most were arrested at the borders.
Revising history lol
Can’t remember where I read it, but it was a series of claims for “victory” by Russia
Each one lesser and lesser than the last written as if each was the original.
Imagine the transfer of Moscow to Ukraine “successful objective of special military operation” victory lol
there were even some American insectivores who celebrated or introduced friends to this during the recent “17 Year Locust Hatch” of Cicadas. They did look fat and juicy. ;-)
One reason Putin has not hesitated to completely destroy some cities like Mariupol is that he does not care about what is on the surface, Quiet as its kept, his goal in both Crimea and east Ukraine is seizing control of potential oil, gas, and coal resources there. By conquering there he prevents Ukraine from every interfering with the Russian fuel market to Europe. Too bad, I guess he make a big mistake, the Europe market is probably very much gone now anyway.
One reason Putin has not hesitated to completely destroy some cities like Mariupol is that he does not care about what is on the surface, Quiet as its kept, his goal in both Crimea and east Ukraine is seizing control of potential oil, gas, and coal resources there. By conquering there he prevents Ukraine from every interfering with the Russian fuel market to Europe. Too bad, I guess he make a big mistake, the Europe market is probably very much gone now anyway.
Hip waders? I
I’m up to my neck! I’ve beginning to stop reading these Ukraine posts because of the BS and ranting accusative post attacking opinions informed-based opposition opinions. You are either a putin-puffer or an Zelenkys-queer. Has FR been infiltrated by enemies who can no longer express a rational argument?
well said
Well, we are now touching something essential here..
So, Why did NATO maintain its presence while the Warsaw pact disappeared?
I would appear for a second that NATO did something unfair to Russia by not dissolving itself.
But here comes the big misconception about that narrative:
— Indeed, the Warsaw Pact “disappearance” is a smoke screen, it hasn’t disappeared...!
What happened is that the potential lethal military strength the Warsaw pact represented back then... has only been moved a bit further to the East, within Russias true original borders. That’s it! The potential Russian threat now comes from Russia directly, that doesn’t make Europe feel one bit safer...
The Soviet military equipment, missiles, planes, tanks, most of its forces only regrouped in what we today call Russia. It’s a nicer word replacing the “Soviet Union” term. Only the wording changed!
In reality what is NATO? It is essentially the combined military strength of about 20 or so tiny European countries having a central command structure proposed by the USA.
Lets not forget that Europe (EU/NATO) is now directly bordering Russia, and vice-versa.
If we would commit the atrocious mistake dissolving NATO (which in essence is Europe’s army today), then Russia would become the sole army left in Continental Europe - with ALL its Warsaw Pact strength it collected back to Russia in 1989.
Europe without army on one side VS Russia’s huge army on the other side... Yes, such vacuum should be seen as an invitation for Russia to invade Europe!
We cant let that happen.
Russia seems unwilling to attack NATO countries. But is very willing to attack (and even annexing) non NATO countries... Look at the country of Georgia..., or the Russians occupying parts of Moldavia..., or the Russian backed attacks on Armenia..., or the sudden annexation of Crimea..., or the sudden annexation of the Donbas region..., and finally the total invasion attempt of entire Ukraine!
All those countries / regions are victims of Russias military brutality for one single reason : non of them are part of NATO !
If Ukraine had been part of NATO there wouldn’t be any war in Europe right now !
NATO is just an ARMY doing what it can to stop Russias historic massive appetite for land-grabbing and conquering other nations. Russia rests on its Absolute Imperialist Doctrine. It will never change.
No, Putin is not crazy, he is only following that typical Russian (neo-Soviet) doctrine.
The West has no structure to invade Russia. But Russia is the ideal SYSTEM perfectly conceived to invade others.
WE have to live free or die.
And that starts by protecting our borders (Mexico) AND our allies borders (Europe).
Russia can stop its invasion and escalation of the war at any time. THEY have invaded Ukraine with half a million troops and Wagner mercenaries..
There are no EU, US, Ukrainian troops in Russia.
Russia has to bring back its troops to Moscow.
If Ukraine had been part of NATO there wouldn’t be any war in Europe right now===
No it is not true. There would be a war but with NATO. Because Russia security demands it.
Security is such thing that we all have one or no pne.
Russia can stop its invasion and escalation of the war at any time. ==
Impossible because of Ukrainian threat to Novorossiya. Russia tried 8 years bring a peace fulfilling Minsk-2 but now we know from Merkel and Oland that Minsk-2 was a ruse to get time for Ukraine to rearm.
So it is WEST doesn’t want a peace really. But it order to have a peace there must be a wish of BOTH sides. Not only Russia.
If Ukraine had been part of Nato BEFORE Russia decided to attack and invade Ukraine last February, obviously Russia wouldn’t have budged a finger.
Because I just can’t imagine Russia would be willing to attack a NATO country.
I think you agree with me.
If Ukraine had been part of Nato BEFORE Russia decided to attack and invade Ukraine last February, obviously Russia wouldn’t have budged a finger.==
How it obvious? For me I think by this case the war would be started from tactical nuclear strike on Kiev.
Then West must decide will it eagers to die for Ukraine or not. Because any attack on Russia from NATO will invoke a massive nuclear response.
That how I think and it is same probability like what you think.
Because I just can’t imagine Russia would be willing to attack a NATO country.===
Better imagine this because Russia is in a corner with NATO expansion and she feels at war to restore her security now.
If Russia launches a tactical nuke on Kiev the radio active fallout would contaminate parts of neigboring Russia as well. If Putin does that against his own people, he is finished.
Anyway, ONE tactical nuclear bomb on Ukraine would also contaminate parts of Europe - thus that’s a direct nuclear attack of Europe by Russia with radioactive winds!
That would have the same effect as if Europe was attacked by a “dirty bomb” - meant to contaminate air, soil, water and agriculture with radioactive particles.
If Russia does THAT, it is another act of immense terror against the West.
Should we just sit down and send roses to Moscow in response?
I don’t think so.
Russia must believe we are serious in our military response in case we are attacked by the Kremlin. It’s called DISSUASION.
Thanks to DISSUASION Russia will NEVER use a nuclear weapons as a tool of aggression and invasion. It will never use a tactical nuke in Ukraine.
The only time it will use a tactical weapon is if the West want to invade and annex Russia. I don’t think Trump, Biden or any other future American president want to annex Russia, rest assured!
We don’t have this “Russian mentality” where annexing other nations is something “normal”.
If Russia launches a tactical nuke on Kiev the radio active fallout would contaminate parts of neigboring Russia as well. If Putin does that against his own people, he is finished.==
It didn’t when ukies exploded whole Chernobyl station in 1986 but there was about few tons of radioactive uranium. Tactical nukes is just few kilos. It will give a really big bum than there more like in Hiroshima 45. But much much lesser contamination than Chernobyl. Like thousands times less.
And Russian people will understand necessity to shake up enemy little bit.
Anyway, ONE tactical nuclear bomb on Ukraine would also contaminate parts of Europe - thus that’s a direct nuclear attack of Europe by Russia with radioactive winds!==
I think West will not but so what anyways? West is very densely populated. Few times more than Russia. So “West shouldn’t throw rocks if lives in glassy house”.
Russia must believe we are serious in our military response in case we are attacked by the Kremlin. It’s called DISSUASION.==
Why we must believe you if you lied us so many time before? With expansion of NATO. With Minsk-2? And so on.
The only time it will use a tactical weapon is if the West want to invade and annex Russia.==
It is again YOUR opinion none knows based on what. And it may nothing to do with reality.
Again you should consider that you are wrong with your assumptions on Russia and Putin and consider what will happen then.
Well, we are now touching something essential here..
So, Why did NATO maintain its presence while the Warsaw pact disappeared?
I would appear for a second that NATO did something unfair to Russia by not dissolving itself.
But here comes the big misconception about that narrative:
— Indeed, the Warsaw Pact “disappearance” is a smoke screen, it hasn’t disappeared...!
What happened is that the potential lethal military strength the Warsaw pact represented back then... has only been moved a bit further to the East, within Russias true original borders. That’s it! The potential Russian threat now comes from Russia directly, that doesn’t make Europe feel one bit safer...
The Soviet military equipment, missiles, planes, tanks, most of its forces only regrouped in what we today call Russia. It’s a nicer word replacing the “Soviet Union” term. Only the wording changed!
In reality what is NATO? It is essentially the combined military strength of about 20 or so tiny European countries having a central command structure proposed by the USA.
Lets not forget that Europe (EU/NATO) is now directly bordering Russia, and vice-versa.
If we would commit the atrocious mistake dissolving NATO (which in essence is Europe’s army today), then Russia would become the sole army left in Continental Europe - with ALL its Warsaw Pact strength it collected back to Russia in 1989.
Europe without army on one side VS Russia’s huge army on the other side... Yes, such vacuum should be seen as an invitation for Russia to invade Europe!
We cant let that happen.
Russia seems unwilling to attack NATO countries. But is very willing to attack (and even annexing) non NATO countries... Look at the country of Georgia..., or the Russians occupying parts of Moldavia..., or the Russian backed attacks on Armenia..., or the sudden annexation of Crimea..., or the sudden annexation of the Donbas region..., and finally the total invasion attempt of entire Ukraine!
YES, as you see... RUSSIA is the CONSTANT invader, all over the place !!
All those countries / regions are victims of Russias military brutality for one single reason : non of them are part of NATO !
If Ukraine had been part of NATO there wouldn’t be any war in Europe right now !
NATO is just an ARMY doing what it can to stop Russias historic massive appetite for land-grabbing and conquering other nations. Russia rests on its Absolute Imperialist Doctrine. It will never change.
No, Putin is not crazy, he is only following that typical Russian (neo-Soviet) doctrine.
The West has no structure to invade Russia. But Russia is the ideal SYSTEM perfectly conceived to invade others.
WE have to live free or die.
Russia can stop its invasion and escalation of the war at any time. THEY have invaded Ukraine with half a million troops and Wagner mercenaries..
There are no EU, US, Ukrainian troops in Russia!!
Russia has to bring back its troops to Moscow.
YES, as you see... RUSSIA is the CONSTANT invader, all over the place !!===
Absolute lie. During history of Russia no European country which not tried one or in coalition to invade Russia.
May be only Portugal didn’t do it up to today so. But now Portugal in in NATO so next invasion will have their participation them too.
We have graves in Russia of all European nations. Even France tried to invade few times. SO we have lot of French graves.
So for Russia western direction is most dangerous. Now again.
The West has no structure to invade Russia. But Russia is the ideal SYSTEM perfectly conceived to invade others.==
It is a lie and also the invasions from West to Russia happen each 30-50 years. Only nuclear weaponry of Russia delayed it longer for now.
Russia can stop its invasion and escalation of the war at any time. THEY have invaded Ukraine with half a million troops and Wagner mercenaries..==
We didn’t invade Ukraine. We are liberating Novorossiya and its people. Novorossiya is NOT Ukraine. It was given to them by soviet commies which was unjust and unlawful.
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