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To: CatHerd; Gene Eric
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled 6-Year-Old Canadian Kid Child Suddenly Dead After Suffering “Massive Stroke” – Doctor Diagnosed her with “Myocarditis due to the Flu”, CatHerd wrote:

Yes, myocarditis happen with flu:

“Acute myocarditis is a well-known complication of influenza infection.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Anyone can do an internet search on “influenza myocarditis” (without the quotation marks) and find page after page.

And yes, stroke can happen, too:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5899905/

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/10/14/flu-and-covid-19-are-bad-enough-but-they-also-can-raise-stroke-risk

I guess you missed all the information indicating that since the Covid vax rollout, myocarditis levels are far above normal, particularly for the young. Hard to miss because there's been so much of it. The CDC's VAERS database just records the tip-of-the-iceberg (small percentage of actual cases) in myocarditis following the Covid 'shot'.

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/myo-pericarditis

It's not that myocarditis was unknown before re flu, it's that there's no time in history that there are so many cases of it associated with any vaccine.

Aside from NIH articles, the institution that brought and maintained Fauci as the personal physician of every American re Covid, the heart.org article you cite was written by an American Heart Association (AHA) website.

The CEO of the AHA is a member of the World Economic Forum so all her organization's content advances the goals of the WEF, and that is not good for human health or humanity.

World Economic Forum Leadership Roles


60 posted on 12/08/2022 8:53:08 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

Nice wrap-up with the WEF roles.


61 posted on 12/08/2022 10:00:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ransomnote

The Pfizer and Modern a vaccines do carry an elevated risk for myocarditis, especially among young males. But let’s put it in perspective.

Myocarditis and mRNA Covid vaccines:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

Myocarditis and smallpox vaccines:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5878341/

According to the BMJ article:

“Retrospective studies confirmed with prospective studies show that >10% of patients receiving the smallpox vaccine develop new-onset dyspnoea, chest pain or palpitations.” (page 1) Yikes!

and

“The incidence of confirmed myocarditis secondary to smallpox vaccination is estimated to be 16.1 per 100 000 service members, with a recent Department of Defense study estimating 12 per 100 000 in a review of 730 000 service members.” (See pages 6-7) That’s 0.012% - 0.016% (if I can still do math in my head).

According to the JAMA article, 1626 out of 192,405,448 developed myocarditis after the Covid vaccine. That’s less than 0.08/100,000, right? (yes, please check my math — doing this in my head.). Compared to 12/100,000 to 16/100,000 for the smallpox vaccine.

According to these studies, one is far more likely to develop myocarditis after a smallpox vaccine than a Covid vaccine. Still, there is an elevated risk with the Covid vaccines.

It’s easy (and quite fashionable on FR) to blame every illness and every death on the vaccines, and that’s their prerogative.

The little girl in question here had a severe case of influenza that required hospitalization. If you want to blame the Covid vaccine even though you have no evidence she even received that vaccine, you will do so because of your mindset, and despite the fact that only 7% of Canadian children five and under have been vaccinated against Covid:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid19-vaccination-kids-under-five-low-1.6641727

Now, you might claim “but she was six!” Okay, we don’t know when she turned six. It could have been a week before she died, or months before. Vaccination rates for children 5-11 are well below adult vaccination in Canada as well:

53.4% received one dose, 41.4% completed the primary series,
4.8% received the first booster, <0.1% received the second booster, and only 7.8% completed the primary series or received a booster within the past six months.

Link: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/

It is well known that vaccine-induced myocarditis occurs shortly after vaccination. So you are assuming that this little girl is among a tiny minority either way (7% - 7.8%), and blaming the vaccine, even though she had a severe case of influenza which her doctors say brought on the myocarditis and stroke and caused her death.

Simply from a statistical standpoint, even if you think her doctors are lying, it is far, far more likely the myocarditis and stroke were complications of her severe influenza. But you will continue to insist it was the vax against all odds. No amount of evidence will change your mind.

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All vaccines (and medications) carry risks. No vaccines work perfectly (aside from a very few, such as rabies vaccine). The Covid vaccines carry some risks, as do smallpox and other vaccines. No, they did not work anything like perfectly at preventing Covid, and lost what efficacy they had over time and as the virus mutated.

Contracting Covid carries risks, some severe and lasting. The vaccines carry risks. It was up to each person to weigh the risks of each and decide. True, all the risks of the vaccines were not known early on, and that seems unfair, but the alternative was to wait ten+ years while the vaccines went through the usual trials. We knew the vaccines were issued via EUA and all long-term side effects were unknown.

Yes, we were told the vaccines were “safe and effective” and it turned out they were not as effective as advertised. They were not perfectly safe, either (but, according to available research, safer than smallpox vaccines when it comes to myocarditis and other issues). It’s possible other long-term side effects might emerge in time. I can understand why people are upset.

I have always been and still am firmly against vaccine mandates. It is especially galling to mandate vaccines issued under an EUA, and should be illegal, IMHO.

Attributing every death to the vaccines, no matter how unlikely, no matter how much another cause is far more likely, makes one look hysterical and undermines one’s credibility. This does not help the anti-mandate cause.


63 posted on 12/09/2022 4:56:43 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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