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IRS warns taxpayers about new $600 threshold for third-party payment reporting
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Posted on 11/26/2022 2:32:48 PM PST by TigerClaws

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To: FtrPilot

My WORK will?? Oh maaan, unreal. OK thanks for the info.


141 posted on 11/28/2022 7:14:53 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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To: TigerClaws

Government math:

The measure is expected to bring in $8.40 billion over 10 years ($840 million/yr. on average). They’ll hire 87,000 new agents to audit and enforce this new rule, and others. At $100,000 per year per new-hire (a very low estimate of salary & benefits), that’s $8.7 billion per YEAR in incremental expenses to collect $840 million.

And this makes sense because?


142 posted on 11/28/2022 8:22:06 AM PST by Be Free (When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

If your employer is already paying you salary or hourly wages, they are (should?) be automatically withholding federal & state income taxes, and social-security & medicare/medicaid insurance premiums, paying you the net amount. If they gave you a $1,000 bonus, they should likewise be automatically doing tax withholding on that money as well. both your regular earnings AND your bonus should then be included in the annual W-2 form you receive from your employer.

If this isn’t what’s happening, then you may have bigger problems.


143 posted on 11/28/2022 8:27:27 AM PST by Be Free (When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.)
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To: TigerClaws

IRS will view all the reported receipts as income. It’s up to you to prove that it’s not income. You can claim that the $$ were from sales of used, personal items sold at less that what you paid and avoid tax on the receipts...but if called for an audit, do you have receipts for things that you bought years ago? Probably not...most usually toss them after any warranty period is past, if they keep them that long.


144 posted on 11/28/2022 8:28:15 AM PST by damper99
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
If your boss gave you an envelop full of cash, then maybe they won't report it.

However, usually a one-time-bonus is simply included in your W-2. So there is nothing for you to report...the IRS already has the info.

145 posted on 11/28/2022 9:34:15 AM PST by FtrPilot
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To: Be Free

Well this is a seasonal job that pays me by the hour. I deliver farm goods for them all up and down the upper East coast from about March till November then I work for a gas company delivering heating oil for 3 months. And every November they give me a bonus, but I can’t recall if they ever put it in my W-2. Actually I’m pretty sure they didn’t. If they didn’t then I assume I will be getting contacted by one of Bidens new 87,000 IRS agents so they will have more money to waste on foreign countries.


146 posted on 11/28/2022 9:46:56 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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To: Fledermaus

On ebay, 1099’s were only issued AFTER 20k.
Technically, yes you were supposed to report anything over $600.
No one really did using the $20k amount.

But years ago, CA made it $600 to force people from the gig economy. The 2021 asshole congress made it nationwide.
Keep your records folks...


147 posted on 11/28/2022 3:01:22 PM PST by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: Be Free

“Government math:
...
And this makes sense because?”

Math is racist. Why do you think Government Math exists? Sheesh! /s


148 posted on 11/28/2022 3:38:00 PM PST by edh
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To: TigerClaws

So who is going to issue the 1099 K form? 1099’s are done by accountants not the government. If cash transactions take place between 2 people how is anyone else going to know about it? I mean come on now!


149 posted on 11/29/2022 2:03:25 PM PST by jaycieg1
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To: TigerClaws
What if parents trying to pay high gas and electricity prices sell off old clothes from their kids or toys?
Taxes are owed on that?

$600 is pretty low. Thta could be a parent sending money to her child at college to buy pizzas or pay a bill. Taxable event?


Yes, taxes are owed on income from selling stuff at a garage sale, but that's only net income. You're almost guaranteed to be selling that junk for less than you paid for it (even years ago), so overall it's a net loss which means the taxes owed is zero. But if that crappy painting your uncle bought you at an estate sale for $5 happens to get appraised and sell for $500M, you definitely owe taxes on that. But for 99%+ of this kind of sale, it's net loss so taxes owed are zero.

HOWEVER, depending on your State, you may owe sales tax, irrespective of net income gain/loss. For example, in Texas, anything over $3000 in personal re-sales, you are supposed to start collecting sales taxes.

Yes, $600 is very low, and no, giving your kid some $$ isn't taxable. But it is now reportable, (assuming you go through a payment processor affected by this) and it now places upon the recipient, come tax time, to prove that the payment was not income. It looks like you (the sender or receiver) need to talk to the company that issues the 1099-K, and convince them to retract it. For every single payment you send/receive over $600 that isn't actual income. If they don't, you gotta write a letter attached to your tax return explaining why you aren;t including the $$ in your taxable income.
Luckily, as of now, it doesn't sound like they'll be trying to hit all payments over $600 with withholding. For now.
150 posted on 11/29/2022 6:30:39 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: jaycieg1
So who is going to issue the 1099 K form? 1099’s are done by accountants not the government. If cash transactions take place between 2 people how is anyone else going to know about it? I mean come on now!

This applies to "third party payment" networks, not cash. (Although cash payments as income are supposed to be reported anyway!) These payments are only gonna get the notice sent if you pay someone through PayPal, or Venmo, or Zelle, or eBay, or whatever else these kids are using these days. And that payment processor is the one issuing the 1099K and the one you need to complain to to get them to revoke it for all the not-income payments.
151 posted on 11/29/2022 6:36:55 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

Forgot to mention, you can still take the standard deduction even on the full 1040. So for you, assuming the 1099Ks are actual taxable income, you’re best bet is to file the full 1040 same as you do the EZ, only now you add in the Sched C for business and you can take business deductions within that. Everything else on the 1040 will stay the same. Just the line numbers’ll change.


152 posted on 11/29/2022 6:40:57 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Fully agree. No disagreement here.


153 posted on 11/29/2022 6:51:10 PM PST by patriot torch
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To: ModernDayCato

“Different 1099. That 1099 is if you at someone for work more than $600. The 1099-K means you’ve received $600 or more in payments.”


Sincerely, I hope you can answer this. eBay will send me a 1099-K for about $1,000 I got from reselling hobby stuff.

There is no distinction, as far as I know, between this ‘income’ and the ‘income’ I have to claim on an IRA withdrawal. Setting aside the personal deduction and all that, doesn’t this place this income in the same basket, and subject to regular income tax? The IRS is getting a form with your SS or tax ID on it, no problem matching it up. If you DON’T claim it, it’s obvious. It’s up to you to do the work of filing schedule C or whatever is required to show profit/loss.

My point is that this isn’t something you can blow off, it’s right under their nose if they want to go after it. Or, you can just put it down as income.


154 posted on 12/06/2022 8:55:41 AM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: MinorityRepublican

“How much is the tax if you send a PayPal with $600 in it?”

I’m a little late reading your post, but I wonder the same thing. Through PayPal, you can send gifts or payments for goods and services. Anything not a gift, will show up as income. How we are to let the IRS know this was for that old couch and not for an off-the-books computer repair business, I don’t know.


155 posted on 12/06/2022 9:06:03 AM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

Yes that would theoretically be true. Supposedly they compare the amounts from 1099s to a schedule C, which you would theoretically need to fill out. I’ve forgotten 1099s and never received notification. You could also deduct items like a home office that would more than offset the $1000. In the old days it wouldn’t be worth the IRS time to pursue, but who knows these days?


156 posted on 12/06/2022 11:35:33 AM PST by ModernDayCato (Noah was a conspiracy theorist until it started raining. )
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