Posted on 11/17/2022 3:25:38 AM PST by C19fan
Doubts have today been raised over whether a missile which hit Poland earlier this week really was a Ukrainian rocket gone haywire, with US and European officials calling for further investigation as President Zelensky continues to insist it was a Russian weapon.
Polish President Andrzej Duda and NATO leaders yesterday played down suspicions that Moscow was behind the S-300 missile which hit the town of Przewodow on Tuesday, killing two, insisting it was 'highly probable' that it had come from Kyiv's forces – meaning the allies will not respond militarily, which could have sparked WW3.
But President Zelensky yesterday insisted that he has 'no doubt that it was not our missile' based on military intelligence, and accused Ukraine's Western allies of blocking his investigators from inspecting the crash site or being part of the probe into exactly what had happened.
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Question: Is it possible the charge went off before it crashed in Poland? I honestly don’t know.
The version of malfunction is unlikely. They hit residential buildings in Kiev because of use in urban area contrary to the manuals.
It is still controlled by the command channel, meaning the idea that it was fired against the targets flying from southeast but hit the farm in the northwest is quite fantastic.
No.
Thank you.
It’s a SAM with a 150km engagement range which means if it misses and does not self destruct it can go a lot farther. All the Sam’s and AAA that goes up has to come down somewhere.
I’m not ready to rule out stupidity. This idiot guy used to set up his AA gun in my backyard every Tuesday evening. And every week, in the wee hours, this creaky old Gazelle running arms to another warring party would fly over and he would wait until it was directly overhead to shoot at it. Of course he never managed to hit it (or I might not be here to tell the tale).
I am obviously not military, but after awhile it really started bugging me — was that Gazelle going to fall on my house this time or not? One night I woke up to this farce and had this terrible urge to run out there in my nightgown, kick the fool guy out, and shoot down the thing myself before it got over my house. Of course I didn’t.
I often wondered whether it was all just a game, or whether he was just that stupid or drunk. It could even have been all three!
Regarding stupidity, one normally needs a master’s degree to operate these things.
The question is why it flew to Poland when the targets are in the opposite direction. Regarding s-300, the operator has a high degree of control. You can self-destructbit manually.
I somehow doubt every Ukrainian firing old Soviet junk has a master’s in rocket science. And even if whoever fired it did, let’s not forget drunk. There’s plenty of that going around those parts.
I assure you that to put the missile to target requires a great deal of conscious operations a stranger won’t be able to do. That’s going to be the whole different sequence of actions to fire it towards Poland or at the missile incoming from another direction.
I’m wondering when Zelensky is going to have to learn the lesson of Izetbegovic.
Explanation for those who do not remember:
We sabotaged the Lisbon Agreement in 1992, when NATO’s raison d’être was beginning to be questioned following the downfall and breakup of the old USSR. No way were we going to give up one of our fave levers of power:
Under Clinton’s Dayton Accords of 1995, the Bosnian Muslims got slightly *less* territory than under Lisbon. There had been a few other peace plans floated between Lisbon and Dayton, but the US always objected the Bosnian Muslims did not get enough map. I’ll never forget the look on Izetbegovic’s face at Dayton. All that death and destruction, only to end up with less. But we proved our point: only the Americans are allowed to make (or break) peace, and NATO is a “necessary” enforcer.
Anyway, however this turns out, Ukraine would have been better off with Minsk II. Too bad we didn’t want Minsk.
“I seem to recall YOU rapidly bringing up Article 5 in answer to this “RUSSIAN ATTACK” (LOL)”
Recall more! I brought up both Article 4 & 5.
I think I was the first to bring up Article #4 (ROFL)
“POLAND CONSIDERS INVOLKING NATO ARTICLE 4 AFTER REPORTS OF MISSLES LANDING IN ITS TERRITORY”
By Tim Lister, Tara John, Antonia Mortensen, Anna Chernova and Emmet Lyons,
November 15, 2022 6:30 p.m.EST
Are they finally planning to invoke it against Ukraine?
Okay, if you insist. But what about drunk? Lots drunken soldiers thereabouts. Again, could have been deliberate, with or without orders from higher up. I’m just not ready to call it either way.
That old Soviet junk is pretty unreliable, anyway. I remember back in the late 1990s, seeing for myself the sorry state of the Russian army (it was painfully pathetic at the time), all I could think was “And we used to be so scared of the Red Army?” Regarding their rockets and missiles, a Russian officer wryly remarked, “Mostly, they do not work.”
“The idiot Russian orc programmed in the latitude of Kyiv, Ukraine, but the longitude of Lviv, Ukraine.”
You are correct!
Zman bombs Poland, NEOCONS deeply saddened.
There’s this wee problem. Range. Those old pieces of Soviet junk have a range of 120km. See post #79:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4109794/posts?page=79#79
“It’s a SAM with a 150km engagement range which means if it misses and does not self destruct it can go a lot farther. All the Sam’s and AAA that goes up has to come down somewhere.”
Thank you for your comment.
As a matter of fact, you can drive away in most of the Soviet tanks sitting on static display since 1945.
In order to fly a Mi-24 helicopter sitting a couple years without maintenance you only need to pour water into batteries.
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