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1 posted on 11/16/2022 4:54:21 PM PST by elpadre
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Dream on. The Ukrainians are still pushing forward and they’ve taken back territory on the east bank of the Dnipro. The road is now open to Sevastopol.


2 posted on 11/16/2022 4:56:21 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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exerpted:

“...General Milley’s assessment that neither Ukraine nor Russia can achieve their maximum goals is widely shared by other NATO militaries.

German and French assessments are more pessimistic, assuming that even parity will not last long and that now is the optimal time for Ukraine to start talking.

There can be little doubt that this is what prompted US national security adviser Jake Sullivan to tell Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that, yes, we fully support you, but, hey, maybe start negotiations...”


3 posted on 11/16/2022 4:59:11 PM PST by elpadre (W )
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bkmk


4 posted on 11/16/2022 4:59:20 PM PST by sauropod (Fascists also buy Comcast cable packages" - Olby - Wanna buy mine?)
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5 posted on 11/16/2022 5:00:54 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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Well, isn’t that a garbage piece from an affected low information writer. Russian troops moved away from the left bank, too.


12 posted on 11/16/2022 5:20:08 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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whoever asks for one, is the weaker...


13 posted on 11/16/2022 5:20:22 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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Ukraine armistice coming into view


14 posted on 11/16/2022 5:22:25 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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As has become commonplace, the blödsinn (“utter rubbish”) was mainly purveyed by the Washington, DC–based Institute for the Study of War (ISW), founded and headed by Kimberly Kagan, wife of Frederick Kagan, head of the American Enterprise Institute’s Critical Threats Project, brother of neocon guru Robert Kagan, husband of the US undersecretary of state for political affairs, Victoria “Tori” Nuland, spiritus rector (“guiding spirit”) of the 2014 Maidan Orange uprising that deposed elected Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.

Victoria Nuland is an agent of chaos. Everything she touches is ultimately destroyed.


18 posted on 11/16/2022 6:32:44 PM PST by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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Cease Fire

Ukraine keeps the land that it presently holds.

Russia keeps the Crimea.

In addition:

a) Russia maintains Kherson territory east of the Dnieper River that consists of a “shortest route possible land bridge” strip thru Kherson, connecting the Crimea directly to Russia

b) the remaining, presently contested Ukrainian terrority along the border with Russia, that Ukraine has not able to hold, becomes a DE-MILITARIZED ZONE where the Ukraine citizenry can return to, for agricultural activity and support

c) administration and governance of the UKRAINE DE-MILITARIZED ZONE becomes the work of both Ukraine and Russia as neighbors, helping each other to learn how to get along

d) Ukraine does not join NATO

e) Russia surrenders its grip on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant

f) Russia withdraws from Georgia and from all land that Russia seized from Georgia, since the Russian invasion of 2008.


19 posted on 11/16/2022 6:32:59 PM PST by linMcHlp
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