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Kremlin says retreat from Kherson is ‘undesirable but likely’
The Odessa Journal ^ | November 7, 2022 | Staff Report

Posted on 11/07/2022 6:58:30 PM PST by Timber Rattler

According to Meduza sources close to the Kremlin, the presidential administration has prepared several new manuals for Russian propagandists. They indicate how to talk about the situation in Kherson – to prepare “public opinion” in Russia for the fact that the city can be abandoned.

One of the documents states that the Kherson direction is “the most difficult for the Russian army at the current stage of the special operation.” Propagandists are offered to explain this situation by the fact that Ukraine “it is vitally necessary to demonstrate the combat capability of its terrorist formations to ask for new help from the West”:

“Kyiv will not reckon with its own losses – it is ready to ruin tens of thousands of its own and others for the sake of new trenches and arms supplies. Russian troops seek to save the lives of civilians and personnel. The danger of a massive strike on the city by a huge group of nationalists dictated the evacuation of civilians from the city to the left bank of the Dnieper.”

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Two sources close to the Kremlin noted that the Russian authorities now view the surrender of Kherson as an “undesirable” but “probable” scenario at the front.

(Excerpt) Read more at odessa-journal.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: europe; kherson; nato; surrender; ukraine
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Sounds exactly like the nonsense propagated by the pro-Kremlin crowd around here...
1 posted on 11/07/2022 6:58:30 PM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler
Funny about that.

Exactly so.

2 posted on 11/07/2022 7:04:31 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Timber Rattler

The Odessa Journal.


3 posted on 11/07/2022 7:06:55 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Timber Rattler

So, the Russian troops were really just there on a peacekeeping mission, handing out blankets and hot cocoa, and rescuing the odd kitten from a tree. These lightly armed tourists could not possibly be asked to stand against a vast army of bio-engineered Ukrainian cyborg troops, supported by zombies—yes, zombies, it’s true, you heard it here first. That’s the ticket.


4 posted on 11/07/2022 7:07:11 PM PST by quikstrike98
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To: Timber Rattler

It’s inevitable. They can’t re-supply over the river.

Good news is that with Kherson itself evacuated, they can go ahead and blow the dam.


5 posted on 11/07/2022 7:09:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: quikstrike98

Not just any zombies, but Nazi Satanist Zombies.

Keep up, will you?

L


6 posted on 11/07/2022 7:09:55 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Its not a retreat its a trap. This shows that they are winning because they are putting into motion a plan for Ukraine to lose money and Russia to save money by letting Ukraine take back more territory. If you disagree you are a Nazi ANTIFA. Not nazi antifa in a figurative sense. A nazi antifa in a literal sense who sieg heils to hitler and wants to gas jews and nonwhites while also being in favor of microaggression training and transgender surgery for kids.


7 posted on 11/07/2022 7:25:19 PM PST by jarwulf
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To: Timber Rattler
To Ukraine:

IT’s A TRAP! ( right from Sun Tzu’s playbook )


8 posted on 11/07/2022 7:29:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Kazan

At this rate Ukraine will lose all the way to Moscow.


9 posted on 11/07/2022 8:09:07 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC
How is Ukraine supposed to win a war when Russia controls the air space and can take out its entire electric grid?

You're living in fantasy world, that is if you even believe the nonsense you're posting.

10 posted on 11/07/2022 8:12:47 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Timber Rattler

Russia’s got them right where they want ‘em. /sarc


11 posted on 11/07/2022 8:17:40 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Kazan

Damn it.

I was almost “In before the Putin BoyZ”.

And there you were.


12 posted on 11/07/2022 8:18:48 PM PST by jdsteel (PA voters: it’s Oz or Fetterman. Deal with it and vote accordingly.)
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To: Kazan

You’re quite delusional if you think Russia is winning. This is not what winning looks like.


13 posted on 11/07/2022 8:21:09 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: BenLurkin

If they blow the dam Crimea gets no water.


14 posted on 11/07/2022 8:23:58 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Timber Rattler

Too late, the election is tomorrow.


15 posted on 11/07/2022 8:38:49 PM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 37 degrees)
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To: Timber Rattler
Two or three related, and I threw in a couple more links from an aggregator.

Russians fleeing Kherson steal children’s choo-choo train
https://nypost.com/2022/11/07/russians-fleeing-kherson-steal-childrens-choo-choo-train/

Ukraine accuses Russia of looting Kherson as battle looms
https://nypost.com/2022/11/07/ukraine-accuses-russia-of-looting-kherson-as-battle-looms/

In Kherson region, convoy of the Russian MP blows up on a French mine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/in-kherson-region-convoy-of-the-russian-mp-blows-up-on-a-french-mine/

Donetsk 'Littered' with Russian Bodies as Hundreds Killed Daily: Zelensky
https://www.newsweek.com/donetsk-littered-russian-bodies-hundreds-killed-daily-zelensky-1757674

Kyiv Street Renamed in Honor of Former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir Following Residents Vote
https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/11/07/kyiv-street-renamed-in-honor-of-former-israeli-prime-minister-golda-meir-following-residents-vote/

16 posted on 11/07/2022 8:44:24 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Kazan

Electric grids aren’t that vulnerable, on the whole. They are pretty tough systems.

These are distributed systems consisting mainly of power lines. These make bad targets and are generally easily repaired. There are point targets but on the whole these are akso easily repaired, given a stockpile of parts and good crews. Blowing up a substation causes mainly temporary, recoverable damage, a matter of days or weeks at most.

There are a few point targets that are hard to replace, or to replace quickly. These are major transformers, which arent in ready supply, critical power plant components, especially turbines and their casings, boilers, which though readily repairable tube by tube are not a quick fix as a whole, and a few more bits and pieces which if destroyed are weeks or months out for replacement or rebuild. Much of this probably can be imported from the EU but it remains to be seen what stockpile levels are.

All the hard to replace bits are, however, small as targets go. A big transformer can be the size of a van, but if protected by sandbags, berms and concrete (which they most certainly are by now) requires a direct hit with a precision weapon. Most of the other bits are inside concrete structures of one kind or another. And further protected by now if the Ukes are on the ball.

A power grid and its generation assets is not something that can be taken out in one volley. Damage is going to be anticipated and repair assets will be ready. It will take an extended campaign to suppress it, with constant attacks, and its likely that the repair crews will keep ahead of the attacks. Without command of the air, permitting the use of “iron” bombs, such a campaign will absorb a huge quantity of expensive long range precision munitions.


17 posted on 11/07/2022 8:50:20 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Timber Rattler

Word from some articles has been that there are Russian soldiers dressed as civilians and occupying civilian dwellings in Kherson.


18 posted on 11/07/2022 9:00:29 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Timber Rattler

There’s also some concern in the U.S. government that the Russians might hit Kherson with nukes. Biden Administration officials have directly warned Russian officials against doing so.


19 posted on 11/07/2022 9:03:08 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: BenLurkin; All

That’s interesting because some reports indicate there are still civilians in Kherson. Anyone have a clue how many?


20 posted on 11/07/2022 9:23:59 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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