[Zhang Fei]

[The British and French caused a lot of the humiliations that gave rise to the current Chinese hairy chestedness. Opium wars.]

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All nations lose wars. Nothing particularly humiliating about losing to a couple of foreign powers with serious technological advantages. But losing to illiterate steppe barbarians - Huns, proto-Mongols, proto-Koreans, Jurchens, Tanguts, Mongols, Oirats (who captured a Ming emperor) and Manchus - now that was humiliating. The humiliation babble is just a political tool, not reality. It’s also a nose-in-the-air assertion of superiority for Chinese civilization, Wakanda in yellowface.

[dennisw]

Lol... Did you miss anyone for your list? How about some proto- Cambodians?

[dennisw]

And if the Han Chinese are so smart, how come Xi has the half of China coming in and out of lockdowns? I used to think the Chinese economy was based on industrial might. Until I learned it was really built on gambling on real estate and building ghost cities.