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To: jdsteel

There’s a lot of propaganda but it’s clear that Ukraine is winning. But they are paying a price for it. How many of their troops have died? 100,000 dead? 150,000 dead? We are not talking about dead civilians.


29 posted on 10/15/2022 12:32:41 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

clear that Ukraine is winning.
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Clear to who? Many see Vlad winning, for many reasons. I do. Of course, I don’t read western news. Indian, Bulgarian, Greek and Turkish seem to be fair and balanced. Fact is, you will believe what you want to believe, nothing will change minds. Didn’t anyone learn anything about Trump’s warning about fake western news?

Time will tell, but fact is the Russian Federation is growing in official territory. One of Vlads original objectives has been met….now we wait for two and three.


41 posted on 10/15/2022 12:44:56 PM PDT by delta7
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To: MinorityRepublican

“ There’s a lot of propaganda but it’s clear that Ukraine is winning.”

“Winning” isn’t really a valid concept in this war. Not for Ukraine. The absolute best they can hope for is kicking out the Russians from most or all of their territory and having a country to rebuild, lots of dead Ukrainians and an extremely hostile neighbor.

Losing is more of a valid concept when it comes to Russia. That would be if they aren’t able to take more land than they took when they invaded Crimea. But it’s coming at a terrible cost. My concern is that Putin will need some kind of victory or he just won’t stop. And that includes the use of nukes.


44 posted on 10/15/2022 12:47:38 PM PDT by jdsteel (PA voters: it’s Oz or Fetterman. Deal with it and vote accordingly.)
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