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Why Cal State struggles to graduate Black students — and what could be done
Cal Matters ^ | AUGUST 22, 2022 | MIKHAIL ZINSHTEYN, MICHAELLA HUCK AND JULIE WATTS

Posted on 08/22/2022 7:49:59 AM PDT by artichokegrower

The Cal State system graduates Black students at lower rates than other groups. Students, scholars and advocates say the reasons are myriad.

(Excerpt) Read more at calmatters.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: education; race
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To: artichokegrower

Maybe admitting people based on “Affirmative Action” instead of merit sets them up for failure. Nah, that can’t be it. All the big brains would never let that happen, would they?


61 posted on 08/22/2022 8:17:56 AM PDT by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: artichokegrower

I read a bit of the article and ironically enough he “self-segregated” and is now flourishing and going to graduate ! he found an all BlacK sorority house....


62 posted on 08/22/2022 8:19:16 AM PDT by mythenjoseph
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To: HamiltonJay
Hey look, I graduated.. but I read at a 4th grade level and can’t do 6th grade level math.. because the system just accepts lower expectations... how is that helping them?

But I can catch a football!

63 posted on 08/22/2022 8:19:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: artichokegrower
Maybe a lot of young folks who are not qualified to go to college are finding themselves lost on a college campus.

"Maybe a lot of young folks who are not qualified to go to college are finding themselves lost in a college classroom." (IMHO)

64 posted on 08/22/2022 8:20:01 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: youngidiot
The Ivy Leaguers have been doing this for years - 95%+ of their diversity students fail to graduate.

Well one of them became President.

65 posted on 08/22/2022 8:20:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: HamiltonJay

Most any academically competent black male is going to have his pick of scholarships and schools these days. That pulls a lot of them above their academic weight and they run into trouble when they are going to schools they should not be at.


66 posted on 08/22/2022 8:21:30 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: artichokegrower

try bringing back admission tests...


67 posted on 08/22/2022 8:21:40 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: fwdude
When everyone is granted a college education, no standards required, then no one has a college education.

"And when everyone is special, no one is." - Syndrome

68 posted on 08/22/2022 8:22:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: wintertime
The college undergraduate degree is becoming the new high school diploma.

Hasn't it been that way for at least 20 years?

When I was on active duty, 76-84, anyone aspiring to make Major knew that a Masters degree was one of the boxes to be checked.

Back then, the promotion rate to Major was 60%. Once you took care of the ring knockers and other Regular Army Captains, wasn't much left over for Reserve officers like me.

69 posted on 08/22/2022 8:25:04 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Night Hides Not

Judging by some people who have Masters Degrees, that will be the new High School Diploma in the near future.


70 posted on 08/22/2022 8:25:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I bought my first property in 1966.

Family next door had 4 kids. 3 were middle/high school when I moved there.

I had heard all my life about how GREAT the California schools were.

They went to the store for me-—and when I gave them $$$ in advance-—the high school girl COULD NOT MAKE CORRECT CHANGE for a dollar. I AM NOT KIDDING.

I went to a one room school in rural Wisconsin with 14 kids—8 grades—1 teacher who had 2 years of college.

When I went back to college night school to get Accounting classes-—I was NOT the smartest one in the class-—I was #2 with a 4.0 grade in every class I took.


71 posted on 08/22/2022 8:25:56 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Mr. K

Aren’t you meaning to say “median” instead of average?


72 posted on 08/22/2022 8:25:59 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: fwdude
And it is not just POC's. We are failing all students due to lowered standards.

Ask most Zoomers a simple multiplication question (7 X 8 = ?) and watch them grab their phone.

73 posted on 08/22/2022 8:27:48 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Beware the coming TRUMPster Fire!)
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To: artichokegrower

Clearly it’s because Californians are racist. They should just GIVE them a degree like everyone else.


74 posted on 08/22/2022 8:32:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: Aevery_Freeman
Ask most Zoomers a simple multiplication question (7 X 8 = ?) and watch them grab their phone.

Yep. And try paying cash to a Zoomer cashier and give them some odd pennies in change for the purchase toward the total. You'll get a blank stare, and then get the wrong amount back. And this is with a computer system which TELLS them what the change should be. I sometimes do this just for fun.

75 posted on 08/22/2022 8:33:30 AM PDT by fwdude (Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians….” — Thomas Sowell)
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To: Ouderkirk
Calculus is the separator if those why can from those who can’t

Calculus was the separator between a 3.8 GPA and a 4.0 GPA my senior year in HS.

76 posted on 08/22/2022 8:35:17 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: cgbg

The problem is the liberal lowering of standards hurts the top achievers of all races. Nobody resented “the smart kid classes”. It was just a fact of life. Teachers knew it was important to keep kids minds challenged. My brother was a mathematical genius who used to be a member of a gang (1950s, duck tail hair cut, lucky strike pack rolled into his sleeve) but he had a teacher who challenged him to the point where he had professors at ASU helping to come up with problems for him to solve.

Standards need to be raised not lowered, kids need to be challenged and careers other than those requiring a college degree need to be offered.


77 posted on 08/22/2022 8:37:39 AM PDT by McGavin999 (To shut down the border tell the administration the cartel is smuggling Ivermectin )
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To: Bon of Babble

“Math also needs to be dumbed down more so more blacks are able to pass.”

The problem is that China, Russia, the Arab world etc are not going to play by those rules—so they will eventually inherit the planet.


78 posted on 08/22/2022 8:40:20 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: HamiltonJay

I know a black female with a M.S. in Electrical Engineering...that doesn’t understand why people don’t consider her to be “technical”. To those that are highly technical it’s obvious whom aren’t. An EE degree is one of the toughest, getting a Masters in it and demonstrating daily that you’re weak technically shows there is something wrong.

She’s a great person...but I know I’m not the only one perplexed.


79 posted on 08/22/2022 8:42:01 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: TexasM1A

I was with a casual friend on Saturday who is a (white) college professor. I haven’t had many opportunities to speak with him other than a hello from time to time. Anyway, he was telling us about a course he teaches, and how he wants to make an online version of it. He said it’s a “very popular” course and the kids love it. It was called something like the History of Englishes. So we asked him what he meant, and he said it was about the many different English languages we have here in America. He wasn’t just talking about dialects, though he said that’s part of it.

He told us (very seriously in tone) that the reason so many kids these days can’t pass the entrance exams is because they are written in languages they didn’t grow up with, and don’t understand. The example he gave was along the line of people these days struggling to understand books or essays written in “Olde English” or Shakespeare style, instead of the English we use currently. This is akin to POC not understanding “standard” English, because they don’t hear it at home. They are unfamiliar with it, and tests written in standard English don’t make any sense to them, so they guess. It’s like a foreign language to them. I wonder how he communicates with them in his classroom.

Mind you, this conversation took place while we were on his 40’ yacht anchored in a lake that we had been invited to for the day by his wife. She’s in my card club where we get together once a month for fun. I tend to wonder if his students would think differently about him if they knew he had that yacht. He and his wife were, of course, very generous to include us in their weekend plans. I still wonder why.


80 posted on 08/22/2022 8:43:56 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I wish “smart resume” would work for the real world so I could FF through the Burden admin BS.)
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