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To: tanstaafl.72555
You have no idea what Article V says, do you?

Article V states "...on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments..."

Article V says NOTHING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. The States petitioning congress for a convention do not also enumerate what specific amendments are to be discussed at such convention. That is left for the convention itself.

66 posted on 08/08/2022 8:43:56 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo

I find your argument both confusing and amusing. The individual state does not call for a generic convention to decide whatever the delegetes agree on. For your nightmare scenario to happen, 31 states would have to call for a convention and then say “hey, we are not sure why we are calling this, so why don’t you guys just come up with something. Nothing specific. We are sure we will like it. Just go vote and make things better.”

The states do not commission the delegates to bring up whatever suits their fancy. They are DELEGATED (that word has a meaning) to present the argument that the STATE LEGISLATOR (which has control over the appointment of the delegate) has enumerated. The delegate has authority to do that, and nothing else.

If s/he were to do “something else” then the state could recall the delegate and revoke his/her delegated powers OR could simply not vote to confirm whatever mess this “runaway convention” came up with.

Have you ever heard of Michael Farris?


94 posted on 08/08/2022 9:47:19 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: Yo-Yo

Are there any written Founders guidelines or rules in the event of an Article 5 Convention of States—such as to prevent any Faction of states from taking over the event?

The Electoral college for example was championed by those Founders who created it in the Constitution to prevent factions as they knew formed throughout the olde Europe politics they had escaped. Thus the potential of factions of states or groups of states in national elections were reduced in power by the Electors so selected in each state.

The story of the 17th Amendment which completely changed the way a State’s Senator is elected in our Constitution as a closest to the people representation to balance a popularly elected House of Representatives districts based on Census. The 17th consolidated the urban centers, large national corporations, by an unbalanced vote of the whole, by eliminating the value of a State Legislator’s vote spread all over the State regardless of population distribution, instead of having the State Legislatures vote for 2 Senators. This happened in Progressive 1912, getting enough states to amend in 1913. The same 1913 the Federal Reserve (Private) Bank was created, funded by J.P. Morgan. Both of these rammed through by Rockefeller’s man Senator Nelson Aldrich and of course Demonrat President/Tyrant Wilson, in addition to the expansion of the Aldrich-Vreeland Federal Income Tax begun in 1909 and morphed into the Revenue Act of 1913 creating the income tax tweaked forever since then— again all of these happening in concurrence with Federal Reserve co-opting by “charter with Congress”, our US currency. The very thing that Andrew Jackson had destroyed prior— they got back in a power grab, forever. (Obamaumao signed another 100 years of this “charter” in December 2013). Our currency is a promissory note of the Federal Reserve who prints it, digitally and physically.

Outside money elected Senators approved all of these, elected under the 17th Amendment (those few remaining who were not- were the only opponents of this massive “transformation” of its day, now our current day)


179 posted on 08/12/2022 9:29:24 AM PDT by John S Mosby ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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