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To: AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; aragorn; arthurus; bamahead; Baynative; bigfootbob; Bratch; BreezyDog; ...

For a Convention of the States dedicated to Georgia’s application language, which would re-balance citizens’ rights and state powers versus federal power, the count is 19 down, 15 to go.

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin

For a Convention of the States dedicated to a balanced budget amendment only, the count is 30 down, 4 to go.

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This is an old article that has been reposted.

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This is the usual boilerplate I append to these threads for those afraid of the Article V process.

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THE ARTICLE V AMENDATORY PROCESS

The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps:

  1. Proposal;
  2. Direction;
  3. Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an amendments convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, except that a convention is limited to proposing amendments specified in the application and there is no such limit on Congress.

Direction:

Once Congress, or an amendments convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The state ratifying convention method has only been used once: to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition. A similar procedure was used to ratify the Constitution itself.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three fourths of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and two implicitly forbidden subjects.

Explicitly forbidden:

  1. No amendment may be added to the Constitution concerning the slave trade or direct taxes until 1808. We’re well past that deadline.
  2. No amendment may be added to the Constitution to change the principle of equal representation in the Senate unless every state deprived of that right approves. If California wants five senators, every state must have five senators. To permit violation of this principle, every state would have to ratify the amendment, not just three fourths.

Implicitly forbidden:

  1. The Constitution of 1787 may not be abrogated and replaced with a new document. Article V only authorizes “a convention for proposing amendments to this Constitution;” so the Constitution of 1787 is locked in place.
  2. A convention for proposing amendments is limited to the topics authorized by state applications.

Reference work:

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

121 posted on 08/08/2022 11:01:45 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

That is an unbelievably good and info packed post!


127 posted on 08/08/2022 11:18:33 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: Publius; All

Thanks for posting both the updates and the constitutional process.

I still think amendments are needed, but am uncomfortable in light of a takeover of our election system. It should be a given that enemies and traitors of the United States are not sitting idle, rather they are working diligently to perfect a plan to cheat and steal control of Congress this November.

Here is one new development to close the loop on the threat posed by after-election audits, having paper ballots match images and totals, thereby perfecting the crime.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4083024/posts

Although only 13 states are needed to block ratification of a reckless amendment proposed by left-moderate schemes, making it enormously difficult to ratify say, a Biden backed amendment, it is imperative that the current election system be thoroughly scrutinized and reformed before entertaining any amendments to the Constitution.

A multi-year commission is needed to investigate every facet of the November 2020 election, including involvement of Republicans. Further, such commission investigation should extend back before 2020.

At federal, state, and county levels, the infestation of vote and election fraud goes beyond 2020 leaving ordinary Americans with the shocking and sad awareness that many in elected offices today are occupied by illegitimate officeholders because of cheating.

We simply can’t have this.

Because state legislatures are crucial to ratifying amendments to the US Constitution, it is vitally necessary that state legislatures be scrubbed as well of any cheating, past, present, and future.

One amendment that will ferret out the cheaters will be an amendment to require fully effective, impenetrable, security in our elections, so that Americans will not be unduly concerned or convinced that their vote has no value. One such security approach that is easy to implement by every precinct in every state, with or without machines, is a specification of physical ballots and minimal ballot management such as tracking the number of ballots in circulation. Such a thorough approach to ballot security was proposed by AZ Rep Mark Finchum who just won the primary election for AZ SOS.

Minimum ballot security specifications and security management, once tested and proven effective, should then be proposed as an amendment to the US Constitution, making each State required to conform with minimal, effective ballot security.

It is true that the vast part of elections administration rests with individual States, but we are today confronted with technology that is able to subvert elections to the point of taking control of state and federal government.

Therefore, we need an amendment that focuses on effective election security.


132 posted on 08/08/2022 11:56:09 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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