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Trump-tied conservatives are 15 states away from an unprecedented rewrite of the Constitution
AP, Yahoo ^ | 08/01/2022 | Brent D. Griffiths,Grace Panetta

Posted on 08/08/2022 8:05:26 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555

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To: Yo-Yo

That’s not the convention of states


101 posted on 08/08/2022 9:57:15 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: Yo-Yo

Everything you’ve mentioned is already in effect, except that only Congress has ever proposed an Amendment. Odd that you think a 3/4 majority of the states couldn’t do better and is something to fear.


102 posted on 08/08/2022 9:58:06 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: DugwayDuke

of course


103 posted on 08/08/2022 9:58:42 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: tanstaafl.72555

On second thought, maybe this whole Article 5 convention idea is a great idea. We could introduce an amendment to take back power from the federal government and give it to the states.

One possible amendment could say something like....”Any right that is not explicitly given to the Federal Government by the Constitution should be left to the states and the people.”

That would totally be a checkmate against the big government socialists.

When the deep state globalist oligarchs tried to control us through federal legislation or regulation, we could repeat the magic words.... “Any right that is not explicitly given to the Federal Government by the Constitution should be left to the states and the people.”...and then the bad guys would disappear like Harry Potter doing a spell on the Dementors.


104 posted on 08/08/2022 10:03:22 AM PDT by nitzy
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To: tanstaafl.72555

Don’t be coy. You’re not confused. You know what I meant.

Article V lets the entire Constitution be rewritten.

They could even leave a fifth article out of a rewritten constitution completely.

I’d rather not fix what is not broken.


105 posted on 08/08/2022 10:08:15 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: DoughtyOne
I agree that lawlessness on the part of the left (and some on the part of the right) is a real threat to any lawful society.

My own conviction is to insist on law, argue it, and be willing to use force if the lawless insist on lawlessness.

Just hoping for a magical leader who will pull us all out of this is a vain hope, I think.

I do find it odd that the very specified solution to this problem of centralized power contained in the Constitution itself is viewed with such fear. This very activity is the essence of "being Constitutional."

I know I can be hateful and contemptuous when people ignore the Constitution in the name of protecting it, but it seems utterly ridiculous to me.

Article V is NOT a "in case of fire break glass" kind of last ditch thing to save us IN CASE power devolved to the fed. It was actually meant to be a part of the process of maintaining the balance of powers. (so said the authors).

Failure to "follow the Constitution" is what got us to this mess. I am in favor of actually doing what folks in here seem to be advocating with one side of the mouth, while actually denying what the document specifies.
106 posted on 08/08/2022 10:11:10 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: tanstaafl.72555
The states do not commission the delegates to bring up whatever suits their fancy. They are DELEGATED (that word has a meaning) to present the argument that the STATE LEGISLATOR (which has control over the appointment of the delegate) has enumerated. The delegate has authority to do that, and nothing else.

If s/he were to do “something else” then the state could recall the delegate and revoke his/her delegated powers OR could simply not vote to confirm whatever mess this “runaway convention” came up with.

Have you ever heard of Michael Farris?

But there is no enumerated constitutional basis to limit the scope of an Article V convention once called, even if the individual state petitions state such limited scope under threat of withdrawing their petition if subjects other than the enumerated ones are considered. Saying it doesn't necessarily make it so.

Once such an Article V convention was called, all hell could break loose by Blue states proposing all sorts of nonsense that per the constitution would have to be considered by all of the states without sunset.

107 posted on 08/08/2022 10:13:51 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo

I assume you meant hijacked by the blue states.


108 posted on 08/08/2022 10:16:26 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, BY FAR, is that almost all of big media is agenda-driven, not-truth driven.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Article V lets the entire Constitution be rewritten.

This is simply false. No matter how many times you state it, it will still be false.

Again, delegates are NOT entrusted nor commissioned to just show up and vote on "something." They are empowered to present to the convention the specific amendments proposed by the state legislatures. The state legislatures DO NOT just hand them a commission to "hey guys, just vote on something you think we will like."

Even if they DID try something like that, 3/4 of the states would have to approve it. I think your fears have outstripped your researching prowess here.

Again, have you ever read anything at all by Michael Farris? He does a great job of dissecting and refuting this kind of paranoia. He is a sparkplug for this, and is one of the most solid constitutional lawyers out there today.
109 posted on 08/08/2022 10:17:47 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: Yo-Yo

Not really, the agenda has to be approved in each State House, if enough agree, then the convention is convened, the vote is taken, the matters pass or fail. End of story.

Time to repeal the 17th Amendment and eliminate the Senior Executive Service.

Two Amendments, if passed will restore the US to a Republic it once was.


110 posted on 08/08/2022 10:19:02 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: PGR88

That would be a disaster... yes fractional reserves banking is not wonderful, but having a gold standard was not working either


111 posted on 08/08/2022 10:20:30 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Yo-Yo

Look man, there is no provision that Congress cannot attempt to rewrite the Constitution either. That is such a specious argument that I am having difficulty understanding why you would bring it up.

Are you saying that the founding fathers made a mistake by putting Article V in there? It is what it sounds like to me.


112 posted on 08/08/2022 10:21:01 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: John S Mosby

The 17th Amendment has to go.. its corrupted the Judiciary, given power to the parties and lobbyists


113 posted on 08/08/2022 10:21:58 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Article10
but having a gold standard was not working either

LOL. Wasn't working how? Didn't allow the rapid expansion of government spending and debt? Didn't allow the rise of financialization? Kept inflation low and reduced thievery of American's wages and savings?

114 posted on 08/08/2022 10:23:47 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: dsrtsage

Term limits give the bureaucracy the power... deep state on Crack. No thank you


115 posted on 08/08/2022 10:24:42 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: TexasGurl24

Exactly.🤔


116 posted on 08/08/2022 10:24:44 AM PDT by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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To: Mr. K

Below is an excerpt from the letter to the state legislatures asking them to approve a Convention os States. It states the only three amendments that are included in the current Convention of States. Once the proposed amendments are accepted by the required number of states, nothing can be added at any time to the approved convention Amendments. The link at the end of this post is the entire letter sent by the Convention of States to state legislatures. Unfortunately one state turned it down by one legislature. I want these three Amendments and am working to get a Convention of States to bring it about because our Federal Gavernment members will never do it.

“We hereby call on our elected state legislators to exercise their authority under Article V of the U.S. Constitution to propose amendments that Congress would never propose - placing fiscal restraints on the federal government, imposing term limits on federal officials, and limiting the power, scope, and jurisdiction of the federal government.

Nineteen of the 34 necessary states have already exercised their constitutional authority to call for an amendment-proposing convention to restrain our out-of-control federal government.

We, the undersigned, hereby urge the remaining states to rise to defend our Republic against the growing threat of a tyrannical federal government and reclaim their rightful constitutional powers by calling for a Convention of States” https://conventionofstates.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3a21cd3d06284c105dbd92fee&id=aee2c395cb&e=53097828af.


117 posted on 08/08/2022 10:25:38 AM PDT by Truth not Theories (Not all vets fought, but all were needed to win wars.)
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To: PGR88

JP Morgan 2x financially bailed out the Federal Gov , hence the 16th and 17th Amendments

Fractional reserve banking changed the game by allowing the overall economy to grow significantly, it’s not perfect but our over all economy would be way smaller if on a gold standard, as would the overall standard of living as I understand it. It’s not an easy circumstance, arguments can be made on either side to support the position.


118 posted on 08/08/2022 10:30:37 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Article10
Fractional reserve banking changed the game by allowing the overall economy to grow significantly

Please examine your statement, or wherever you heard it, carefully.

How does the Federal Reserve, a central planning agency, with the absolute power of money creation, help an economy grow faster? Why is not Bolivia then an economic powerhouse?

119 posted on 08/08/2022 10:42:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: tanstaafl.72555
Are you saying that the founding fathers made a mistake by putting Article V in there? It is what it sounds like to me.

No, they did not make a mistake putting Article V in there. But it may also be a mistake invoking Article V without a compelling national crisis forcing it.

It is all well and good to claim to limit the scope of an Article V convention to only specific subjects, but there is nothing in the constitution that provides for such limitations. At best it would come down to a Supreme Court ruling on the matter.

There is also nothing in the Constitution that would prevent Congress from setting up the specific rules and procedures of an Article V convention such as who would chair such a convention, how amendment proposals are presented to the convention body, whether the convention body must vote on each proposed amendment before it is formally adopted and presented to the states for ratification, etc.

There just might be a reason why Article V has never been invoked in the 234 years since the ratification of the Constitution. That reason is that there is enough uncertainty in the process to keep 2/3 of the states from petitioning for one.

120 posted on 08/08/2022 10:46:25 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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