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The Semiconductor Problem The military relies on advanced semiconductors. The U.S. doesn’t make any.
NY Times ^ | July 14, 2022 | David Leonhardt

Posted on 07/14/2022 7:49:04 AM PDT by daniel1212

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300 word excerpt. Related: Onshoring Semiconductor (Chips) Capacity Is Crucial To National Security Zubu Brothers ^ | 6-6-2022 | Zachary A. Collier via RealClear Politics
1 posted on 07/14/2022 7:49:04 AM PDT by daniel1212
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How big of a factory do we need to supply just the military?


2 posted on 07/14/2022 7:50:40 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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All we need is a tariff. No subsidies!!!!

This is not hard people....

3 posted on 07/14/2022 7:51:08 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Trying to think of the guy’s name. He was a President not too long ago. Sometimes spoke a little rough around the edges, maybe put out some tweets that folks thought were mean, but he got sh*t done. And most of it, pretty much, alone. Especially when Congress, save a small handful, did every thing they could to stab him in the back and obstruct him.

But that guy spoke of this quite often and wanted to bring all the manufacturing back to US soil.

He’s gone though. I hope guys like Kemp and Ducey are happy in the solid help they gave in the endeavor.

And now, many are mad at him because he’s calling out Musk.


4 posted on 07/14/2022 7:52:11 AM PDT by qaz123
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"But the Senate’s semiconductor bill still has not become law...Mitch McConnell, the Republican Senate leader, recently threatened to scuttle the talks."

It's almost like Mitch is married to the chinese.


5 posted on 07/14/2022 7:55:00 AM PDT by DannyTN
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We need a reliable source of pure Industrial NEON in order to manufacture semiconductors. Currently the world basically relies on Ukraine, Russia and less importantly China for this critical gas. One of the reasons we need to assist Ukraine is to keep one of largest sources (about 60%) of this gas in somewhat friendly hands. The Russians have already captured one of the two Industrial NEON plants in Ukraine and if they take Odesa they will have seized all of Ukraine’s output.

Industrial NEON is very difficult to refine and there are only a handful of facilities worldwide that have the capability and access to sufficient core material to perform the process.


6 posted on 07/14/2022 7:56:42 AM PDT by XRdsRev (Justice for Bernell Trammell, Trump supporter, murdered in 2020)
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Take that, Putin!!!


7 posted on 07/14/2022 7:57:12 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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Now I get where the idea that the Russian military is going to run out of chips comes from. Except Russia has 23 domestic chip makers, making everything the military might want. The story was a projection.


8 posted on 07/14/2022 7:57:13 AM PDT by NorseViking
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The most advanced category of mass-produced semiconductors — used in smartphones, military technology and much more — is known as 5 nm. A single company in Taiwan, known as TSMC, makes about 90 percent of them. U.S. factories make none.

That's new how? Apple makes everything in China and Google etc don't even make much of anything at all. About the only tech companies making stuff in America are Intel, SpaceX, Tesla and a few others. The rest of them would much rather the Chinese made it for them.

9 posted on 07/14/2022 7:58:45 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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China’s upcoming reunification will turn out to be a blessing in disguise for us.

Losing the carriers is going to suck, though.


10 posted on 07/14/2022 7:59:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains)
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When the Left is for national security, and to benefit the military, there is good reason to be suspicious.

What the NYT info does not provide is,

Davis-Bacon makes it illegal for the federal government to award contracts to companies unless they pay wages determined by a government body, the Wage and Hour Division. The Wage and hour Division uses the imprecise method of surveying to calculative wage rates– audits have found a 100% error rate when comparing the Wage and Hour Divisions’ calculations to a statistical analysis of an areas wages. Usually, Davis-Bacon inflates wages for construction jobs raising the price tag for such projects.    . - https://www.atr.org/davis-bacon-act-undermines-democrats-stimulus-a3937/

WASHINGTON – Today on the floor, U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) discussed the political provisions inserted by Senate Democrats into the Endless Frontier Act that are jeopardizing the funding for his widely-supported Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors (CHIPS) for America Act. Excerpts of Sen. Cornyn’s remarks are below, and video can be found here.
“The strong support for this legislation on a bipartisan basis shows that this is a priority for a majority of the members of this body. There's no reason these funding programs shouldn't be bipartisan, too.”
“And we're already seeing divisions about provisions related to the payment of prevailing wage, so-called Davis-Bacon provisions, which is frankly dividing us, which is a moot issue given the current wages of U.S. semiconductor manufacturing companies. It's a non-issue for them, yet some of our Democratic colleagues decided to insert this divisive issue in this underlying Endless Frontier bill.” - https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/content/news/cornyn-controversial-wage-provision-jeopardizing-semiconductor-funding

11 posted on 07/14/2022 8:02:11 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Why on earth wouldn't we give our share of the worlds semiconductors to the Ukraine?

Putin, right?

12 posted on 07/14/2022 8:04:56 AM PDT by JonPreston
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What about zippers? I remember a few years back, there was a big stink about how we won’t be able to clothe our soldiers if the overseas suppliers were to be cut off.


13 posted on 07/14/2022 8:06:45 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: XRdsRev
access to sufficient core material

The "core material" from which neon is refined is called "air," isn't it?

14 posted on 07/14/2022 8:08:48 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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Except Russia has 23 domestic chip makers, making everything the military might want.

Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha!!!

The Russians are working to get a 90nm plant up and running (meaning what? Pilot production?) by the end of this year.

VERY roughly speaking, 90nm / 5nm = 18, 18 squared = 324, then use discount factor to bring that to 250…
…so let's say for every 1 logic or memory cell in the Russian 90nm chip, the TSMC 5nm chip can have 250.

Current US leading edge is Global Foundries 12nm, or Intel ~9nm (measurements get hard to compare), so we're running a four-to-one disadvantage compared to TSMC. At least we can produce those chips in huge volume.

Oh, yeah: thanks to Trump, we'll get a TSMC 5nm plant in Arizona running in a few years.

15 posted on 07/14/2022 8:10:35 AM PDT by Yossarian
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On a related note, the US imports 29% of the enriched Uranium for nuclear power plants (which supply 20% of all electricity in the USA) - FROM RUSSIA


16 posted on 07/14/2022 8:11:52 AM PDT by PGR88
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Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha!!!

Exactly what kind of chips are needed for a hypersonic missile?

17 posted on 07/14/2022 8:13:52 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Campion

According to wiki, it is. The problem therefor isn’t finding the source material (air), the problem is having a plant to do the separation. We have plenty of liquid nitrogen production in America; LN2 is dirt cheap. Leaves me curious as to what’s involved in adding neon separation capability to an existing nitrogen separation plant.


18 posted on 07/14/2022 8:14:49 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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Not that long ago this would never have been allowed by he military. Design standards and source restrictions have been relaxed like everything else in todays military. One by one, US companies offshored manufacturing and before long there were no domestic sources and the military just said oh, what the hell, China’s our friend…


19 posted on 07/14/2022 8:16:16 AM PDT by bigbob (z)
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Except Russia has 23 domestic chip makers, making everything the military might want.

Not to mention all those stolen dishwashers being used for spare parts...😀

20 posted on 07/14/2022 8:18:05 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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