Arizona classroom educators no longer need a college degree. This is a terrible idea.

The College Fix ^ | 07/12/2022 | Margaret Kelly

[G Larry]

Because they are no longer EDUCATING our children a college degree is unnecessary.

Any flack can regurgitate superficial, fact free, propaganda.

[Little Ray]

19 year old amateurs did a pretty good job before “experts” got involved.
Maybe we should just go back to old fashioned teaching certificates?

[A Navy Vet]

The education institutions have some need to keep dumbing down our kids. After social media, I believe they are most influential in the destruction of American society. Or maybe they are on the same par.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

This is a Hobson's Choice:

Teachers infected with Marxism while getting a teaching degree, or teachers that don't have the basic skills or experience to teach.

[Stosh]

Actually, depending on the college, it’s probably a wash. And if the degree is in education, no degree is probably a plus. Unless you want to grow up and become First Lady.

[VanShuyten]

I taught college and adult ESL for 30 years, but I’m not qualified to teach K-12.

[GrootheWanderer]

For many years in many states, if you were a high school graduate, you could teach up to tenth grade. Of course, a high school diploma was harder to get back then.

[georgecorgi]

An “education” degree is a contradiction in terms. Children would be better served by people with actual knowledge of the material being taught.

[Jonty30]

A bachelor degree in your teaching specialty and a teaching certificate would work.

[elpadre]

I agree, this is dumb.

Having said that. When I graduated from HS there were only eleven grades, not twelve. (I am well over 90 years old) And many teacher colleges in those days were two year “normal” schools. Every teacher I had in school was absolutely excellent and several only had those two-year degrees which certified them as teachers. Discipline problems which plague schools today were non-existent. Homeroom teachers and students cleaned and maintained their assigned classroom while custodians did the same for common areas and offices. Once or twice a semester there would be a general clean-up day when parents were expected to come out on a Saturday and give the school a thorough cleaning and take care of minor repairs.

Things have changed over the years and the addition of so called “education,” child psychology courses and garbage fill up a four year teacher college curriculum. The high number of non-teaching personnel has diluted the mystique of the great teaching of my years.

But there is one thing I forgot to mention. Schools were segregated back then.

[Dr. Sivana]

Arizona ranks 44 out of 50 states for average teacher pay

So? Someone has to be in the bottom tier. We also don't have to pay combat pay as they do in DC, Chicago, NYC, LA, and Detroit.

[hinckley buzzard]

Hillsdale College does not have an education department. They require those who want to teach to take a major in a content area and do a teaching internship under qualified tutelage. Works out far better. My daughter majored in history and minored in math, couldn’t find a position teaching history because so many schools don’t even care about it, leave it to the football coach, etc; went on to teach math at high school level; she has horror stories about how ed majors teach high school math. It is no wonder so many Americans are largely innumerate.

[newfreep]

An “Education Degree”, in reality, is absolutely worthless...except for the communist controlled Teachers’ Unions to push their communist agenda.

[Born in 1950]

This 2 minute Stooges clip teaches more than 16 years of schooling will. My two parrots have learned this song and sing it with glee. Sorry, kids, things aren’t what they used to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgmdnxtz3Bo

[joedish]

Of course, though as we know it is always the others that are bad, but ours are good? Same with senators, everyone knows the “other” senators are morally corrupt con men, but my senator, he is one of the good ones. If you have government teaching your kids, they will come out with a positive view on whatever government thinks is important. What you likely will not get, are well read, free thinking, logically minded, hard working graduates.

[Sir Bangaz Cracka]

Also, non-college graduates will likely be less than 100% indoctrinated in progressive wokeness orthodoxy. Is that a bad thing?

[Reily]

They used to have “Normal Schools” (which later became teacher colleges and later in many cases universities!). As I understand it, they taught a curriculum that basically “reinforced” what was taught in K12. I believe it was a 2-year “no-frills” program. What I mean by “no-frills” - no football\basketball team or any other sponsored sports. There is no reason that can’t exist again. However, there is no longer a standard that everyone agrees as to what an “established K12 standard” is!

[central_va]

Anyone with a STEM degree should be able AND ALLOWED to teach math.

[NorthMountain]

For some subjects, a graduate of a trade school, a journeyman or master tradesman, would be better than someone with only an education degree.

[Osage Orange]

My wife didn't have a college degree... when she taught our daughters to read and such. They were HS'ed from earlier than K....but basically K thru 12....

Both are very smart and successful.

And we did that in SoCal...then in OK.

Both in their 30's now!!