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Have not studied this in detail, but it sure sounds like double jeopardy to me.

I would side with the minority on this one, based on a first reading.

1 posted on 06/22/2022 12:43:06 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Michael.SF.

As far as I can tell. being charged by the state the crime was committed in, and then being charged by the Federal government is actually two different crimes.

The state has its own law and the Fed has a different law.

I think this could be easily abused and a real government answerable to the people would try to fix it, but the Rodney King trial shows what the Feds really will do.


34 posted on 06/22/2022 1:21:08 PM PDT by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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I think this got messy because an indian tribe was involved

And that should be highlighted.

I will read and understand wtf before i do a kneejerk


36 posted on 06/22/2022 1:22:06 PM PDT by algore
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IIRC the Federal courts have long ruled that when a particular act is a crime under both Federal law and a particular state's laws (certain drug crimes being an example) the person can be prosecuted for that crime in that state *and* in Federal courts.
38 posted on 06/22/2022 1:26:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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Easily fixed. If a state can prosecute, the feds should not. Eliminate any federal law that is already covered by state laws or jurisdictions.


42 posted on 06/22/2022 1:33:34 PM PDT by Twotone (While one may vote oneself into socialism one has to shoot oneself out of it.)
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“for the same offence to be twice”

Tohmaytoe-Tomaahtoe
Pohtaytoe-Potaahtoe

Theft vs Robbery
State vs Federal

Why not Hamlet vs Village vs Town vs City vs County vs . . .

Just keep making shiiite up til you can imprison everybody.


44 posted on 06/22/2022 1:39:30 PM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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Easy way to nail political prisoners.


48 posted on 06/22/2022 1:41:36 PM PDT by kenmcg (tHE WHOLE )
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And this ruling is why the States should have much more power than the fed gov. No reason to punish folks twice.


49 posted on 06/22/2022 1:45:54 PM PDT by trailboss800
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So, you could be accused of the same crime by your local HOA, township, county, city, state, the feds, a couple of whatever fed and state taxing districts, etc. all for the same crime of jaywalking?


53 posted on 06/22/2022 1:54:41 PM PDT by glorgau
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Sounds like double Jeopardy to me too.

I think there should be coordination between the two sovereigns. Either the Feds prosecute or the state prosecutes but not both.

Save thing with civil courts vs Criminal courts. When it involves a crime, I don’t think there should be a lower standard for civil action than criminal action. No conviction for the crime should me no civil action.


54 posted on 06/22/2022 1:55:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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Have we figured out yet that the US Constitition does not exist or is never enforced except when those in power demand it be enforced?


58 posted on 06/22/2022 2:03:34 PM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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The USSC has toilet paper in their bathrooms that has the constitution printed on it.


60 posted on 06/22/2022 2:19:40 PM PDT by Revel
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This was a monumentally stupid ruling, especially since it came from two different departments of the same federal government.

Even allowing it for state vs local is bad.


67 posted on 06/22/2022 2:33:03 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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Does that mean OJ Simpson is at risk of going to prison?


76 posted on 06/22/2022 2:53:48 PM PDT by entropy12 (Trump/DeSantis & MAGA! are the only way to keep USA viable.)
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The constitution did not differentiate between Federal and State crime. It simply said you can not endure double jeopardy.

I do understand prosecution under Federal Law and State Law. It should be one or the either and not both.


77 posted on 06/22/2022 3:11:10 PM PDT by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST)
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The USA has become a giant prosecutorial nightmare that deserves to be dismantled and burned in a tribal fire . Financing the court machine and the attendant goons required to enable it will help destroy this once great nation . I can’t understand why they want to destroy America but maybe we can rebuild something better . If we the people win . I am afraid that I would have voted for the minority also. Too damn much gov interference in our lives . Gonna’ put some shiny 20 “ chrome rims on that machine with this ruling .


78 posted on 06/22/2022 3:35:57 PM PDT by David Moser
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If the Founders had set up the Nation as a Constitutional Republic, this type of tyrannical judgement (cojoining the powers of the States and the Federal governments in order to violate the former 5th Amendment) would not have been possible...

Oh wait...

82 posted on 06/22/2022 3:51:53 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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This was a very bad decision.

It could wreak havoc with first and second amendment rights.

Bad decision.


86 posted on 06/22/2022 4:05:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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Sadly, you can always depend upon the ‘conservative’ members to side with the State in instances like this.


96 posted on 06/22/2022 9:01:07 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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What does this do to “immunity”? If offered immunity from prosecution for what you admit at a state level when you could still be prosecuted in another jurisdiction, why accept the offer of immunity?

As I recall, Linda Tripp was prosecuted in Maryland for something she testified to and was given immunity for in Virginia.


98 posted on 06/23/2022 6:35:15 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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First in state court, then in federal court.

Akin to more then one person can sue somebody like war crimes?


99 posted on 06/23/2022 8:20:38 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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