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To: Zhang Fei
Zlochevsky is *still* the owner of Burisma. What’s so far-fetched about Putin continuing to funnel payments to Biden through Burisma? Again, the bread crumbs suggest a link between Putin and Zlochevsky.

Because you haven't yet established that Putin is funnelling payments through Zlochevsky and Burisma for *anything*.

What reason did Zlochevsky have to pay Biden on his own initiative? Burisma’s operations don’t involve anything in the US.

There's a lot of things that don't involve the US that Americans nonetheless get involved with regardless. What interest did America have specifically in getting Victor Shokin fired?

But I can think of a much simpler reason: given that Joe Biden had a major role in America's Ukrainian policy as of 2014 (openly speaking about how "the United States [was] a driving force behind the IMF, working to provide a multi-billion package to help Ukraine address [their] immediate needs", Zlochevsky had a vested interest in getting someone in his corner given the ongoing money laundering investigation against him. Hiring Hunter Biden to the tune of $50K a month so that Hunter could help Burisma with "corporate governance best practices" would be a small price to pay if it meant the corruption investigations against him went nowhere; given that no charges were filed against him in December 2017 (with Zlochevsky returning in February 2018), it must have seemed a worthwhile investment at the start. Only after the Solomyansky District Court overturned the prior decision to close the criminal proceedings against Zlochevsky did he once again flee the country again at some point after June 2018 (allegedly Monaco, according to most reports that I can see).

No need to invoke unsubstantiated data to craft a "Putin controls Burisma" narrative; an explanation can be established already with just the known facts without invoking 'Putin hypotheticals' whatsoever.

Note that Putin paid Hillary $500K through Russian oligarchs, so it’s not like bribing American bigwigs is a foreign concept to him

Yeah, through *Russian* oligarchs. Not Ukrainians.

All of the rest of your post is special pleading: giving reasons as to why, hypothetically, no one has investigated the link between Putin and Burisma, when the only person suggesting that there is in fact a connection is you.

Because if Putin did have the inside link to Burisma that you think he does, then why would GRU have allegedly bothered hacking into Burisma's to get whatever information they had in November 2019?

63 posted on 06/18/2022 9:50:57 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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Ukraine ping

[But I can think of a much simpler reason: given that Joe Biden had a major role in America’s Ukrainian policy as of 2014 (openly speaking about how “the United States [was] a driving force behind the IMF, working to provide a multi-billion package to help Ukraine address [their] immediate needs”, Zlochevsky had a vested interest in getting someone in his corner given the ongoing money laundering investigation against him. Hiring Hunter Biden to the tune of $50K a month so that Hunter could help Burisma with “corporate governance best practices” would be a small price to pay if it meant the corruption investigations against him went nowhere; given that no charges were filed against him in December 2017 (with Zlochevsky returning in February 2018), it must have seemed a worthwhile investment at the start. Only after the Solomyansky District Court overturned the prior decision to close the criminal proceedings against Zlochevsky did he once again flee the country again at some point after June 2018 (allegedly Monaco, according to most reports that I can see).

No need to invoke unsubstantiated data to craft a “Putin controls Burisma” narrative; an explanation can be established already with just the known facts without invoking ‘Putin hypotheticals’ whatsoever. ]


If Zlochevsky was paying Joe Biden to pressure Ukraine’s AG not to move against him, why did Zlochevsky continue paying him from 2017 to 2019, when Biden was no longer in a position to help him? Again, the simple answer is that Zlochevsky wasn’t the man behind the payments. He was acting as an intermediary for Putin. Note that after Hillary lost in 2016, donations to the Hillary slush fund (aka the Clinton Global Initiative) immediately petered off. Putin wisely continued showering Biden with what, to him, was pocket change even after Trump was in office, stopping only around the time Biden made his candidacy official.

[Yeah, through *Russian* oligarchs. Not Ukrainians.]

It really doesn’t much matter which conduits Putin used to pay Hillary or Biden. The bottom line is that whether Russian or Ukrainian, these oligarchs were controlled by Putin. Suggesting that pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarchs were independent entities is like suggesting that the Austrian Nazi Party was independent of the NSDAP prior to the Anschluss or that the German American Bund wasn’t a creature of Adolf Hitler.

[All of the rest of your post is special pleading: giving reasons as to why, hypothetically, no one has investigated the link between Putin and Burisma, when the only person suggesting that there is in fact a connection is you.]

The fact is that no one in the media is investigating why the coroner declared that George Floyd might have expired from a fentanyl overdose, yet the prosecutor decided to go after the Minneapolis cops who secured the scene while waiting for the ambulance. The media’s not interested in anything negative about Democrats and Democratic constituencies, and a good chunk of the right-wing media would prefer that Ukraine end up in Russia’s maw, because some of its audience either likes Putin or (thanks to Russian propagandists) blames Ukraine for having a hand in the Democrat plot to falsely brand Trump as Putin’s puppet.

More important, the media doesn’t have the resources to go after this story. Putin has had entire families killed. Putin is a genuine stone killer, not the made-up one some have alleged Hillary to be. What reporter or newsroom editor wants to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life? What leaker does?

Exemplary violence works. Think of Putin as a Mafia don with unlimited resources and reach. And the ability to get his button men out of the country in a diplomatic pouch.

https://archive.ph/2Ws0P


[Because if Putin did have the inside link to Burisma that you think he does, then why would GRU have allegedly bothered hacking into Burisma’s to get whatever information they had in November 2019?]

Allegedly. Like I said, it’s all bread crumbs. Heck, if you ask Hillary, she’ll say the Russians hacked her server on Trump’s behalf.


68 posted on 06/18/2022 10:45:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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