Posted on 06/08/2022 9:40:06 AM PDT by rintintin
You might have heard that, but I did not say that.
Have a beer or something, mellow out.
Trump is a politician. He is NOT the Savior.
He did a lot of good and a lot of bad. I'll vote for him if he wins the R primary. I'd much rather vote for Ron.
Nixon was so hated around that time, that it would have been
nearly impossible for Ford to be re-elected. He was viewed
as a man that had been appointed by the evil Nixon, and that
would have been a pox on any political candidate.
It would seem to me that a primary win for another candidate
that year may or may not have helped the Republican’s
chances. I think it was a pretty done deal going in.
This is what you said.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4069563/posts?page=63#63
Total snow job. They did not cooperate with Trump at all.
Why not? They and the GOPe and RNC were certain Trum
would be gone in months. They suckered for the Clintion
Russia Russia Russia routine. They scarcely defended
Trump at all at any time during his presidency.
The one single largest impact bill they passed, sunsets in
a hair over 18 months.
Did they coordiate with Trump on anything else in his agenda?
No!
Did they agree to repeal Obamacare, or did they offer up
an essential Trumpcare type of proposal, stating they
couldn’t get anything else supported in Congress?
Did Trump have a choice in getting something else through?
Did he promise to try? Yes.
They had no intention of helping Trump in any way shape or
form. At the tax signing they had a glow on their face as
if that one bill was all we had waited decades to achieve.
As for the wall, they didn’t approve a dime as I recall.
We seem to agree that Ryan was no good and that we'd rather have another Senate leader besides Mitch.
Trump fought hard for TrumpRyanCare. I fault him for that. You don't. I can live with that.
I fault The Don for the TrumpSwampVax as well, of course. He does everything big, including his mistakes.
Yet, he almost did. It was close enough to suggest that had he not been challenged in the primary, he might have won. It was close enough that I wouldn't dogmatically say one way or the other. Reagan would have been the stronger candidate but Gerald Ford was not a candidate with no chance.
I would submit it isn't that hard to follow. It just
depends on how you desire to spin it.
We seem to agree that Ryan was no good and that
we'd rather have another Senate leader besides Mitch.
Trump fought hard for TrumpRyanCare. I fault him
for that. You don't. I can live with that.
Do you remember anything about the bill that the RINOs
wanted to pass? I didn't like it because I didn't think
there should have been an Obamacare to begin with. I
certainly didn't want one with our name on it.
That being said, did that plan have improvements? Yes.
Did it comply with Trump saying he'd do away with
Obamacare? In the spirit of the promise, no, I don't think
so.
It would have ended forced involvement. It would have
eliminated the $1000 fine leveled by the IRS.
Was that an improvement? Yes. Was it what was promised?
No, and so I didn't like it.
I wasn't the guy who promised something, and then had to
deal with the reality of what I faced within my own party
that some bumbleheads would later term as Ryan and
McConnell teaming up with me.
Trump was left with no alternative than to get some things
he wanted rather than nothing he wanted.
I fault The Don for the TrumpSwampVax as well, of
course. He does everything big, including his mistakes.
The problem you have, is dealing with reality. Not one
Republican candidate who ran in 2015/16 could have done
any better regarding these things that Trump did.
He had a choice to do nothing, or to try and get the
government off our citizen's necks. He tried to do
the best he could according to Ryan, McConnell, the Gope,
and the RNC.
As for the vaccine, Trump got everyone out of the way,
cut the red tape, and facilitated a vaccine in a period
much less than had been predicted by his political
enemies.
At the beginning Trump didn't realize what we know today
about the vaccines. If the pharmaceutical companies had
acted in good faith, the time frame he worked on was a
major plus.
It's hard to work hard to get the nation help, and then
believe that the vaccine was as bad as I now think it is.
Trump is not an expert in these sorts of things. It's his
job to make sure the red tape is eliminated and that help
comes quickly.
Who do you know of that would have been able to do all this
better than Trump except those in the peanut gallery who
can say anything, because their necks aren't on the line?
Was Trump totally right about the vaccine. I don't think
so but then you had all the Left and the Media at full on
war with Trump, and the likes of his Republican enemies
going after him also.
Not one political person I know of could have handled the
things Trump had to better than he did.
There will be those who trash him just like the GOPe/RNC
did in 2015/16 and beyond. Hopefully the Left won't
be as helped by it as they could be.
I would say a 2.1% spread is very close. All it would take is
1.05% +1 votes to change the vote majority from one party to
the next.
Electoral votes were close also, and I can’t be more
definitive the way I’m reading them on WikiPedia for that
election.
We could look at this two ways. One, Ford was hurt and it
cost him the election. Two, a better man was out there
and if he had been selected, he would have beaten
Carter.
I’m not fully convinced which way I’d say was more
accurate.
Trumps two greatest achievements were getting the border under control (although he didn’t build the wall) and keeping us out of new wars. President Desantis could make Trump Secretary of State to continue both of those missions. And I’m not joking.
Scotty Pruitt. He was taking a flamethrower to the EPA but then liberals started crying too much so Trump demanded his resignation.
I'm there, too. That's why I was careful in my language. Be it far from me to say anything negative about Ronaldus Magnus but it is not unreasonable for someone to conclude that by primarying Ford that he cost Ford the general election.
If you flip about 5,600 votes in Ohio (out of over 4 million cast) and about 18,000 votes in Wisconsin (out of over 2 million cast), and Ford wins the election with 276 electoral votes. It was close.
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