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To: Vlad0
Pretty funny Vladimir. You cite as your main source Wikipedia, but you don't actually report what they say, just your pro-Russian spin on it.

For example, even though you rely on Wikipedia, "I wrote that all my myself, using the three or four articles in Wikipedia.." You claim that nobody can know who did the shooting that killed 100 protestors. But that isn't what the Wikipedia article you relied on says.

"In January and February 2014, clashes in Kyiv between protesters and Berkut special riot police resulted in the deaths of 108 protesters and 13 police officers,[21] and the wounding of many others. The first protesters were killed in fierce clashes with police on Hrushevsky Street on 19–22 January."

"The second active phase started February 18. After a brief truce on 19 February, the clashes renewed 20 February. According to the newspaper Ukrainska Pravda, special forces (Berkut) and Interior Troops snipers[9] shot at people on Maidan and/or snipers located in nearby buildings, with the special forces firing with AK-47 assault rifles.[10] 20 February was the bloodiest day of the clashes, with at least 21 anti-government protesters killed.[11] The final death toll from these clashes in late February was 103 protesters and 13 police" Your own source

But notice that what you are writing is not supported by the very sources you cite. If Wikipedia, and the original source documents that are cited from the Wikipedia article are your source then you have to conclude that all you know is what they wrote. And they certainly didn't say "it's never been determined who killed each of the 100+ protesters who were killed".

In fact, there is an entire Wikipedia article that lists the individual people killed and how they were killed. That article is readily available, you probably already read it.

If you did you would know that many people died from gunshot wounds, usually "shot by a sniper", like Valeriy Opanasyuk, who had 4 children. But you decided to put out the Russian spin anyway.

I find it amusing how much effort you will put into trying to make excuses for Russia invading Ukraine. You need arcane arguments about how a document signed by Yanukovych himself was somehow unusual, and a coup, even though that happened in 2014, and since then Ukraine has had another election. If Russian hadn't seized Crimea, and the Russian backed militias that took over the Donbass hadn't seceded from Ukraine those people could have voted in the 2019 election.

Your complain about them not getting to vote in 2019 is silly. Did the residents of Georgia get to vote in the 1864 US election? No, they didn't.

Why are you spinning so hard to justify Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine? Regardless of what happened in Ukrainian politics in 2014 is that a reason for the Russian government to be destroying cities, bombing civilians, and killing thousands and thousands of civilians? Does whatever political process unfolded in 2014 justify the rape and murder of teenage girls by Russian soldiers today?

278 posted on 05/29/2022 7:02:21 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
Yes, but obviously, seeing as you are an expert on this you are aware of the many claims that the shootings were false flags.

You know, like the people breaking the windows and urging everyone to storm the capital. They were supposed to be GOP'ers, and they were wearing MAGA hats. But there are odd videos of them changing out of more antifa looking gear just for the photo ops? It's not 100% clear either way, but certainly the people who denounced everyone saying it was a false flag back in January, if they are being honest, have to admit it's hard to say that there were not a lot of instigators involved

So just because the "official story", which is very much what Wikipedia provides in most cases, says the people doing the shooting were the government troops following orders of the deposed former President (well, what would you expect them to say?).

Does you utter lack of ability to provide the thing you've been claiming for two days -- a link to the regular-order parliamentary motion where President Viktor Yanukovych was removed?

And, seeing as were agreeing on Wikepedia as a baseline:

Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych (Ukrainian: Віктор Федорович Янукович, pronounced [ˈwiktor ˈfɛdorowɪtʃ jɐnʊˈkɔwɪtʃ] (listen); Russian: Виктор Фёдорович Янукович; born 9 July 1950) is a former politician who served as the fourth president of Ukraine[5] from 2010 until he was removed from office in the Maidan Revolution in 2014, after a long series of protests in support of the European Union by diverse civil-society groups.

Wait? What? Yanukovych was removed in a REVOLUTION, not just as a normal parliamentary vote as you've been claiming all over Free Republic for weeks?

So, I understand you want to drop this, entirely, without conceding you were wrong. Lame, like a liberal!

Notes:

The BBC, that known Russian disinformation site.

Ukraine Maidan deaths: Who fired shots?

On 20 February 2014, more than 50 anti-government protesters were shot dead in Kiev's Maidan square. The massacre triggered the collapse of Ukraine's pro-Russian government, prompting Moscow to annex Crimea and sparking a separatist war in the east.

At the time, riot police were blamed for the deaths, but they were not the only ones shooting that day.

The BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse, who witnessed the shootings, returned to investigate and spoke to people on both sides about whey think happened.

And from Consortium News:

The Buried Maidan Massacre and Its Misrepresentation by the West

Therefore, it is remarkable that five years after this massacre shook the world, no one has been sentenced for any of the Maidan killings. This was the best documented case of mass killing in history, broadcast live on TV and the internet, in presence of thousands of eyewitnesses. It was filmed by hundreds of journalists from major media in the West, Ukraine, Russia, and many other countries as well as by numerous social media users. Yet, to this day, no one has been brought to justice for this major and consequential crime.

Wow! Sounds a lot like how no-one has been even investigated for the shooting of Ashli or the beating/strangulation deaths that took place outside the capitol.

Why is that? Can you figure it out?

Well because the Biden admiistration and Team Corrupt Democrats don't want light shined on something. They want the narrative preserved.

Just like your favorite corrupt government in Central Asia.

The thing about you is, you just pretend not to know this stuff. You know it very well.

Still waiting for the link to the regular paliamentary process that removed Yanukovych. Should be easy to find...

280 posted on 05/29/2022 8:55:55 PM PDT by Vlad0
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