Washington's war on air conditioning heats up

Fox News.com ^ | May 20, 2022 | Ben Lieberman

[LastDayz]

Comes to $60 per pound. Still expensive.

[LastDayz]

“Propane makes a fine refrigerant, and there is no shortage of that.”

Yes it does as it’s boiling point is -47 F. Just gotta use the correct lubricant.

[itsahoot]

So a hot summer, and then with the upcoming home heating crisis this Fall/Winter it will be a cold Winter. Ain't Brandon grand.

Yeah but like with the vaccine it would be much worse under Trump. </s>

[itsahoot]

We will all get free fans,

When I was a kid the local funeral home furnished air conditioners for all who attended the funeral. Hand powered but effective.

[LastDayz]

“If you were to put a flame to the old r12 you would end up with mustard gas.”

Uh.... don’t think so. Try again.

[itsahoot]

Looks like full, factory sealed 25 lb tanks are closer to $600 - ouch

Guess we will have to go back to propane, not real good but better than nothing.

[itsahoot]

And hydrogen works great for inflating party balloons.

Oh my yes a pound of propane will blow up your entire house, well in movies it might but no and you can't blow up a giant propane tank with a single rifle shot either.

[SamAdams76]

In days of old, before there was air conditioning, people just sat outside and socialized. No TV. No Netflix. No Internet.

We were better for it.

[Rebelbase]

Wow. Replaced our heat pump in Jan, 2020 for $8,500. Took three trips under warranty to get to work correctly. First time was faulty thermostat, 2nd time was a leak in a valve, third time was a capacitor.

[Scrambler Bob]

They might evaporate up to 70 gallons per day.

That is over the 55 gallon per day (per person) limit that CA is considering.

[Pollard]

Some of the newer freons are environmentally friendly but flammable.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If you're not familiar with humidity, humidity is sitting with thermal underwear on, wrapped in a fur coat while sitting in a steam bath.

Pretty much how it feels when I step outside my home in Pensacola.

[HandyDandy]

Uh…think so. Don’t try it for yourself. R12 plus flame equals phosgene, aka, mustard gas, nerve gas.

[Mears]

We sat outside but eventually had to go to bed.

Top floor of a Boston 3 decker….black tar roof,,just brutal.

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[itsahoot]

friendly but flammable.

As is gasoline and we seem to manage it pretty well. There are plenty of vehicles running on propane and natural gas without any Hindenburg like disaster. Life is not risk free but there are acceptable risks for accomplishing what we as a nation have achieved. No matter how many stickers they put on a ladder there will still be people dumb enough to step on that paint shelf.

[jmacusa]

Yup. I hear that.

Tomorrow and Sunday it’s supposed to hit 95 here in NJ.

Nothing like getting thrown right into it.

[LastDayz]

Have..... many a time. Still here. Apparently you don’t have a clue about the old school leak detectors which were a simple propane bottle with a specialized adapter and hose. Still have that tool and use it from time to time.

Phosgene gas was a particularly nasty weapon used by the Germans in WW1 and has absolutely nothing to do with R-12 which, by the way, is the best and safest refrigerant ever developed.

And don’t even bother to throw that ozone layer BS at me.

[PeterPrinciple]

We will all get free fans,

When I was a kid the local funeral home furnished air conditioners for all who attended the funeral. Hand powered but effective.

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Thanks for setting me straight. I foolishly thought I was going to get a free electric fan from the govt for a moment.

[HandyDandy]

Ever ask yourself why the propane leak detection system is old school? Here’s why: “Halide Leak Detector A halide leak detector typically uses acetylene or propane gas. After ignition, the flame from this gas heats a copper disc. Attached to this bottle of gas is a hose that is used as a sniffer to check for leaks. As the hose is moved, air is drawn through it and into the burner of the detector. When a leak is detected, the flame will change to a greenish color. A halide leak detector is dangerous to use in confined spaces or flammable areas. Never use a halide device to check a system that contains a highly flammable refrigerant because an explosion could occur. Certain refrigerants will break down when exposed to the flame and cause phosgene gas, which is poisonous.”

You apparently haven’t blown yourself up yet but I do detect some possible nerve damage.

[LastDayz]

LOL..... your a trip dude/dudette. Any well-trained monkey can copy and paste. Next you’ll be telling me that refrigerant dyes are killing muvver earf and destroying the ozone layer as well as causing cancer in rats and kitties.

Speaking of blowing oneself up, back in the day I cleaned car parts with a parts brush in a pan of gasoline with a lit cigarette hanging from my mouth. Did it for years and still do from time to time. Oh noes.....