Posted on 05/19/2022 8:11:41 PM PDT by Widget Jr
Putin is acting on his own ambitions for his reasons, not for reasons convienent for U.S. politics and election cycles. He has Czarist ambitions of empire and is trying to reestablish USSR control over Eastern Europe. For a decade he has been incrementally working up to invade Ukraine. Saying Ukraine is full of Nazis, NATO and the U.S. forced him, Russia has security interests as if Ukraine does not, Ukraine is not a real country, etc, are cheap excuses.
So far 40 countries have pleged aid to Ukraine. For all the nay sayers who say Ukraine "can't win", they have been "can't winning" for three months, and are going to keep "can't winning" for the foreseeable future. All NATO needs is tio keep sending Ukraine weapons, let them fight it out and drive out Russia on their own.
It will take a year or two, when it is over Putin's reign will be at risk, and Russia will be in no position to militarily threaten anyone for a long time.
comments, thoughts, and intense disagreements welcome.
Russia does not have a big economy.
Russia does not have a big population.
Russia’s military is, apparently, quite incompetent.
I don’t think Russia is going to conquer Germany, or France, or the US.
My position is that I see no reason for us to take any side in a European war and I think the people who disagree with that position are just Globalist tools.
This one should devolve into flame wars in no time at all . . .
George Washington was an isolationist. I’m with George. The Greatest leader we ever had.
To not be the world’s Gladys Kravitz is not being isolationist.
Why waste all this energy on a small relatively weak nation like Russia unless its to serve the interests of China by driving Russia into the arms of China?
Those at the top of our government Biden and McConnell really are Assistant Chicoms on Ukraine.
Why waste all this energy on a small relatively weak nation like Russia unless its to serve the interests of China by driving Russia into the arms of China?
Those at the top of our government Biden and McConnell really are Assistant Chicoms on Ukraine.
These are the same guys that got you into Iraq, trillions wasted/stolen etc. perhaps you should listen to those who were right about that misadventure
Aligning with the Founders, who repeatedly argued against long-term entanglements with foreign powers, isn’t being an isolationist.
The Founders argued in favor of alliances that were short-term, issue-specific, and in our interests, not unending warmongering with NATO which has went rogue in that it bowed before Odumba, as an example among other warmongering examples, and offensively attacked Liby when no NATO members were threatened and on unproven allegations that Gaddafi was going to kill 10k of his own people.
And it isn’t isolationist to be against warmongering repeatedly as in Iraq, then Libya, Syria, Yemen, and now Biden putting boots on the ground in Somalia.
And it certainly isn’t isolationist to demand that Europe quit mooching off the U.S. while they used the money they saved to spend on their people, and take care of their own backyard.
Those who falsely call others isolationists may deflect because they want Empire based upon their track record.
BTW I just double checked. Horowitz is a neocon and former Marxist who has never been right about anything .
He has some nerve.
I’m With George
(needs to be a bumper sticker)
But the United States and Russia didn’t go to war over Vietnam, where Russia supported its Vietnamese proxy in Hanoi with military equipment. That’s the whole point of a proxy war. Russia’s proxy wars weakened America in Asia and the Middle East. Now this proxy war is weakening Russia in Eastern Europe. And the weaker Russia becomes, the less likely it is to drag us into a war. Let alone to directly go to war against us.“
Past US restraint in reaction to Russian proxy wars against us is not IMO a convincing argument that Russia will act the same way in reaction to our actions in Ukraine. What we are worried about is the possibility of nuclear war, not conventional war. So it is not apparent why the authors contend that Russia doing poorly against Ukraine in the current war (which it is not clear they are) makes war (nuclear war) less likely. Many contend just the opposite. Finally, they call Putin all kinds of bad things but then rely upon him to act rationally. That makes no sense.
Aligning with the Founders, who repeatedly argued against long-term entanglements with foreign powers, isn’t being an isolationist.
The Founders argued in favor of alliances that were short-term, issue-specific, and in our interests, not unending warmongering with NATO which has went rogue in that it bowed before Odumba, as an example among other warmongering examples, and offensively attacked Liby when no NATO members were threatened and on unproven allegations that Gaddafi was going to kill 10k of his own people.
And it isn’t isolationist to be against warmongering repeatedly as in Iraq, then Libya, Syria, Yemen, and now Biden putting boots on the ground in Somalia.
And it certainly isn’t isolationist to demand that Europe quit mooching off the U.S. while they used the money they saved to spend on their people, and take care of their own backyard.
Those who falsely call others isolationists may deflect because they want Empire based upon their track record.
I'll answer that one, so those two will clam up.
I am not “Pro Russia” or “Pro Ukraine.” I guess that makes me an “isolationist” in their minds.
I want the EU to deal with this, because it is in their back yard. This is not a time for the US to get involved with a nuclear nation.
Does this mean Putin is rewarded? No, because the EU will be on the hook to render help. We don't ask the EU to take care of Venezuela for us, do we? That is in our back yard.
If the EU lets Putin win, the result is on them, not us. As I look at it, even Ukraine didn't do much to push back on earlier land Russia took over from their country, so why should the rest of us care? Heck, Germany cemented new natural gas agreements with Russia through all of that, and had started shutting down useful power plants.
I am not an isolationist, but a realist. I don't see a need for the US to poke the bear—especially with a corrupt country like Ukraine.
Wrong. A Russian defeat in Ukraine that doesn't result in a scorched earth vendetta by the Russians makes America safer. The authors assume a very binary outcome where nothing could possibly go sideways - horribly horribly sideways.
And for what? So we can continue to Team America - World Police? No thanks.
The US has done nothing but escalate this mess, WE are the ones dishing out the weapons AND money to keep this damn thing going if WE stayed out of this it would be over already!!! This was nothing more than a way for OUR corrupt politicians to line their pockets with BIG CASH!!
The Russian/Ukrainian war in no way compares to WWII. This is a regional dispute that should be handled by the Europeans. US support should be secondary to the EU which should be taking the lead. The European economies are strong and are in better shape to finance it than are we.
#3. Yeah, I know. Right now it feels like the early newsgroup and chat room period with all the flame wars going on.
“George Washington was an isolationist. I’m with George. The Greatest leader we ever had”.
Amen to that. The very best president ever.
The premise is dishonest. By carefully omitting any mention of the Battle of Britain, Lend Lease Act passage, and the invasion of the USSR, the authors suggest Pearl Harbor alone caused the change in public opinion during 1941. Also, once safely reelected, FDR’s media machine went into high gear.
An honest assessment would look at the Nov 41 Gallup Poll where only 28% favored staying out of the war.
Hard to make a comparison with this kind of intentional deception. (of course, today’s situation does rely on deception)
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