Posted on 05/16/2022 5:26:33 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
No way Russia ever withdraws from the territory it presently has.
Nukes will fly before that happens............
You appear to be correct per Wiki.
Enemy at the Gates (the book(s), not movie) was my source and I will have to revisit that. There was an avalanche of promotions of various personnel written up and sent out on the last German planes to leave the “pocket”. This was to ensure higher pension for those soldiers’ family/wifes after the presumed death upcoming. (VERY few survived captivity to 1949).
Paulus was presented in the book as filling his time rebutting various scholarly criticisms in Germany of his management of 6th Army, but the book said this was done from Russia. He was not allowed out even for the funeral of his wife. She died in Baden Wurtenberg in West Germany, though in 1949 the delineation was not firmly in place.
It appears clear he was not kept in Russia, but East Germany sufficed. His last posting pre war was Stuttgart and any home he might have was there. West Germany.
You appear to be a student of Stalingrad. My focus is from oil and its planetary scarcity unfolding. Stalingrad was/is the chokepoint of the Volga river and oil flow(ed)(s) on barges or pipelines north to Moscow from the rich Caspian fields.
Hitler was not stupid. It was all about oil. The 6th Army was fueled from Romania, now diminishing to empty.
But, you can't get it through your skull that there are truly evil people fighting on the Ukrainian side. But, God does know the truth.
“Russia will never give up Crimea.”
So, they stole it. Prior to Russia’s 2014 invasion it was the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Ukraine.
Then, you will not mind if China “annexes” Russia’s Far Eastern Federal District. Because it is going to, you know. After all, it was only 160 years ago that Russia took possession of it. Before that, much of it was Chinese or under Chinese hegemony.
And do you know how China is going to do it? It is going to use Russia’s own playbook! Yes, it is going to hand out Chinese passports like confetti to the people of the District. Then, voila! They will be Chinese citizens, living in “Russia.” Of course, they will claim discrimination by Russia, and will want autonomy. China will send in troops to “quell” any unrest and to “rescue” its citizens. Just like Russia has done for two decades along its borders, including in your neck of the woods, in the Caucasus.
If you object to China doing that, you are a hypocrite. Or a Russian.
“No way Russia ever withdraws from the territory it presently has. Nukes will fly before that happens............”
Could be. But, that’s what bullies would do, isn’t it?
“If you object to China doing that, you are a hypocrite. Or a Russian.”
Nope,
The scenario you presented is a Russia China problem, not a problem for the USA.
“Who cares?” is not hypocrisy BTW.
The United States of America doesn’t owe any foreign nation a security guarantee, no matter how many diplomatic agreements are reached by “Faggy Bottom.”
“Hitler was not stupid. It was all about oil. The 6th Army was fueled from Romania, now diminishing to empty.”
Yes, Hitler wanted the Caucasus, and the Baku oil fields. After the Germans assaulted Crimea (which eventually fell in July, 1942), Hitler came up with Operation Fall Blau (Case Blue) to take the oil fields. The operation was not successful.
Meanwhile, to the north Paulus and the Sixth Army was slugging it out at Stalingrad.
“So Ukraine got their fascist element back, not sure if it’s really so good for Ukraine to have them.”
They surrendered to Russia, so they’ll will still be in jail (if not worse) when most of us here pass away. Ukraine will get back their rank-and-file soldiers, but Russia will never give them back their Fascists.
I know YOU don’t care, but you are not whom I asked.
This was over days ago. Does anyone think Critters like Cocaine Mitch And Looney Nance would visit a war zone if the fighting was still live? Iirc, there were something like 27 members of congress who visited Ukraine this past week.
Information Regarding Putin’s Private Military Companies
“Special Forces Colonel Dmytro Utkin – call-sign “Wagner” – is the commander of the mercenary company. It was as part of this army that Illia and Oleksandr fought and died. In 2016 a photo briefly emerged on the internet in which Utkin appeared together with Russian President Vladimir Putin. All who saw it treated it like proof that Putin has a state army, and his own private army. An army for all circumstances – even a sudden palace rebellion.
Utkin first fought in Syria on the side of President Bashar al-Assad as part of the Russian mercenary group Slavic Corps. After suffering a defeat from the rebel forces, the Slavic Corps returned to Moscow and its leadership was sentenced to prison: mercenaryism is formally illegal in Russia.
Upon returning to Russia, Utkin departed to Ukraine, heading his own group of mercenaries. Its name, Wagner, comes after Richard Wagner, a favorite composer of Adolf Hitler, for whom Utkin allegedly holds affection.
The Slavic Corps veterans were seen both in the Crimea in February 2014 and then in Donbas, where they fought alongside Russian militants. According to the Russian media, the Wagner squad could have been involved in the killing of several warlords of the so-called “Luhansk People’s Republic.”
Well-paid private military companies are an increasingly important component of Moscow’s strategy in the Donbas and elsewhere providing the Kremlin with a serious force that it can use as it likes and then plausibly deny whenever that suits its purposes, according to RFE’s Andrey Dikhtyarenko.
Among the many such Russian companies are Wagner, MAR, E.N.O.T. Corp, and the Slavyansky korpus, whose mercenaries make from 2500 to 6,000 US dollars a month, far more than Russian soldiers are paid and thus at least in principle far more ready to do whatever they are ordered to against non-Russians or against insubordinate Russian forces.
Private military companies, Russian military commentator Pavel Felgenhauer says, are “cheaper and less responsible. The defense ministry can always say: we know nothing about them; these are not our losses.” And in times of confusion, many will accept that rather than asking the important questions about who pays such firms and thus who controls them.
But these enterprises do not always turn out well. Sometimes the mercenaries talk too much or run afoul of powerful groups within the Donbas militants or the Russian power structures there themselves. In such cases, Dikhtyarenko says, serious retribution may follow and the mercenaries may land in jail or worse.
That outcome, however, is more the exception than the rule. According to Felgenhauer, these private military companies are now in almost all cases well-integrated into the chain of command of the Moscow forces in the Donbas. Indeed, he says, they represent a clearly defined “hybrid structure.”
Such mercenaries may become a serious problem in the future if Moscow changes course. In that event, they could split with the other Russian forces there and even fall victim to Russian laws prohibiting independent military actions – or alternatively, they could be used by Moscow to maintain pressure on Ukraine even as the Kremlin denied that it was doing so.”
Dmitri Utkin, the leader of Wagner 
Dmitri Utkin, the leader of Wagner, was spotted at a ceremony honoring the Heroes of the Fatherland in the Kremlin on 9 December 2016 by the Russian outlet fontanka https://www.fontanka.ru/2016/12/12/064/
I think Ukraine had a chance to stay a country until the failure of Istanbul talks. Before that they routinely violated the Minsk agreement, but there was no exposure. Here the talks took place before the whole world and they immediately violated the obligation and also used ceasefire to mount attacks. It’s one thing for the media reporting, but the Russians are seeing what’s going on. They won’t ever trust the Kiev regime hence no agreement is going to be reached until Ukrainian capitulation.
“Contemporary Russia’s relationship with international law is not simply a question of international relations. International law is supposed to have a privileged place in the Russian legal system. Section four of article 15 of the 1993 Russian Constitution enshrines the supremacy of international treaties and agreements in case of a conflict with Russian domestic law.
But in recent years, this privileged position has been undermined.”
INTERESTING:
Western advocates of appeasement need a crash course in Putinology
16 May, 2022
Denial just ain’t a river in Egypt. Russia will never give up Crimea. Ukraine will have to take it back by force. Doubtful because Russia has a nuclear arsenal. That is called reality.
The question is whether any or all will be exchanged for Russian prisoners.
The Ukraine & US formalized our “ad hoc” alliance in 2008 & 2021 with two documents being signed by both parties.Those documents are called “US Ukraine Charter for Strategic Partnership.”
We’ve an alliance with Ukraine, an alliance many Americans don’t know or care about.
Yep, with the Budapest Memorandum we assured Ukraine that in case of aggression, we would take their case before the UN Security Council. And we did. With the Strategic Partnership, we promised we will continue to maintain sanctions. We have just about sanctioned ourselves into bankruptcy. When Ukraine signs Minsk III, or somesuch ceasefire agreement, giving up claims to Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea, it will be resolved.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/
The United States and Ukraine intend to continue a range of substantive measures to prevent external direct and hybrid aggression against Ukraine and hold Russia accountable for such aggression and violations of international law, including the seizure and attempted annexation of Crimea and the Russia-led armed conflict in parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, as well as its continuing malign behavior. The United States intends to support Ukraine’s efforts to counter armed aggression, economic and energy disruptions, and malicious cyber activity by Russia, including by maintaining sanctions against or related to Russia and applying other relevant measures until restoration of the territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders.The United States does not and will never recognize Russia’s attempted annexation of Crimea and reaffirms its full support for international efforts, including in the Normandy Format, aimed at negotiating a diplomatic resolution to the Russia-led armed conflict in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine on the basis of respect for international law, including the UN Charter. The United States supports Ukraine’s efforts to use the Crimea Platform to coordinate international efforts to address the humanitarian and security costs of Russia’s occupation of Crimea, consistent with the Platform’s Joint Declaration.
Your photos have nothing to do with “Wagner Group.” First off look at the grain-they are all film scans likely taken prior to 2000. Wagner group was founded in 2014. No one was using film in 2014. Second, nice tattoos-who are they? Third, the white on red insignia are not Wagner- its a group called National Unity of Russia active 20 years ago and banned in 1999 by Putin!
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