Posted on 05/08/2022 8:33:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The world did nothing when Pooty Toot invaded Georgia and Crimea. Plus Georgia and Crimea did not have enough military to fight back.
Ukraine did fight back and the world has been helping them out.
Who started World War II in Europe?
USSR teamed up with Nazi Germany, they had an idea of globalism too. Today, Russia would team up with China.
Think that’s a good thing?
It’s important to realize the war with Mexico was 1) really a war with Santa Anna ( the Napoleon of the west), and 2) a continuation of his ongoing hostility to his own nation in where he suspended the Mexican constitution and gave himself an upgrade to dictator for life. The Texas revolution was part of a general Mexican revolt against Santa Anna.
While the United States absolutely wanted that Mexican territory, Santa Anna pretty much guaranteed the US would have no choice but to go to war with him at some point.
**Former Deputy prime minister** of Russia
Russia propaganda ?.
Their fear is higher than expected.
The fire at the Tver facility has probably made him even more obnoxious.
Mexico did not own that land for more than 25 years. Even
then it was a shaky claim.
The Native Americans had owned that land for thousands of
years, perhaps ten thousand. Not Mexico! Not Spain! For
that matter, not the US either.
If anyone has a claim, it’s the Native Americans.
Hundreds of tribes had their land rights violated. Look,
back in those days these tribes didn’t have set boundaries.
They lived in planted locations, and some were nomadic. They
weren’t unified. It was easy for them to be picked off, or
simply ignored.
Mexico was a disjointed regional power when Spain came over
and claimed all that territory. Some of it was gifted to
Spain in those days by Britain, a former territorial
claimer.
What became Mexico later on was located around the area
that is now Mexico City, but it wasn’t a vast nation.
Mexico City finally got its name from a tribal area around
the West coast of what is now Mexico, West of what is now
Mexico City.
Mexico city wasn’t Mexico City back then. The idea that
Mexico owned all the land before Spain came, is pure folly.
It didn’t even exist as a full blown nation rivaling the
size of the Spanish land claims or even Mexico as it exists
today. Large regions were still under local control. Did
some of those people rove up into the U. S.? Sure. Did that
mean they owned it? No. The Native Americans in the western
and even mid-central United States did.
Spain came over and organized the territory northward. Yes
that land claim did go way up into Canada (disputed), if I
remember correctly, but they couldn’t enforce it. In time
Canada came away with that portion of the claimed Spanish
holdings.
The Indians there were not organized enough to force them
back, so the claim went uncontested until the United States
government demanded rights. They could enforce it.
Mexico got it’s name around 1810 to 1820. Spain left around
1820-25. The US contested Mexico’s claim to land. Then the
Alamo and the rest is history. (all of it is) The U. S.
came away with the land it has today, in 1848. (one
subsequent purchase of land from Mexico added to the
New Mexico border later.)
I once talked to a Native America, obviously a full blood
guy from one of the reservations. He and I talked for about
an hour about how the Native Americans had been treated.
I asked him how he felt about the situation. He had one
response that I found interesting. He said that he looked
at what the U.S. had done with the land it came away with,
and what Mexico did with the land that Mexico came away
with. He remarked, I think the US undoubtedly did more
impressive things with the land it came away with.
He was right. I couldn’t argue with him on that point.
I don’t think you could either.
Extrapolating now, so wouldn’t it be great today to have
Tijuana type towns from San Diego to the Canadian border,
and east through Texas and upward through Missouri, Kansas,
and the Colorado region?
The U. S. gained control of that territory in 1848. It
had fought a war to solidify its claim. It also paid
Mexico a considerable sum in those days.
Mexico had only had control of it for 25 years. Even then
it was a fantasy.
Think about it. In all of history, Mexico only had that
territory for 25 years. We’ve had it for 168. Still
some folks think Mexico has the better claim? Does that
make sense to you?
Native Americans 1,000s if not 10,000 years, Mexico 25,
and the U. S. 168. Who has the better claim?
If you wish to advocate for the Native Americans, I think
it would be rather farcical at this point in time, but it
would be a better more valid claim than that Mexico was
cheated.
Thanks Paul R.
I don’t even agree with myself all the time. Heh heh heh...
I hadn’t heard of Rogazin. I don’t read everything on the
topic. That information is hard to swallow. Wow. How did
we pull that off?
At any rate, thanks for the mention of these things.
Thanks. Yes, those anti-nuke days were interesting. The
anti-war in Vietnam days were also. They caused me to
become a Republican.
We can dispute policy, and we should if needed. We don’t
trash our nation. We try to improve it. When you start
getting folks saying we deserve stuff, you’ve pretty
much fleshed out people from the other side, turncoats,
or people who don’t know any better.
They don’t realize that every American spy ever found
in the U. S. had a good reason for thinking the U. S.
should be betrayed. Does that mean they were justified?
At 16, I watched as the Left trashed our nation with
no limits. Sorry, I don’t join folks who think our
nation is not worth respecting on any level.
Thanks for your perspective on those issues.
I find no fault in them, and believe them to be pretty
powerful.
I’m not as anti-Iraq War as nearly everyone else here is.
Hussein had attacked Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.
Granted, it attacked Saudi Arabia and Israel after it was
under the gun, but then it was moving large bodies of
troops up to the borders of this neighbors through what
had been declared demilitarized zones. This wasn’t for
our benefit. It was to protect neighbor nations.
Does anyone actually think that Kuwait would have been his
last conquest? I don’t. He had his eyes on taking out the
entire Eastern side of the Persian Peninsula. He wanted
a monopoly of the regions oil reserves.
Nobody was intimating an invasion of his nation.
He was shooting his mouth off about paying $25,000 to the
family of any suicide bomber against Israel. He was also
shooting his mouth off about helping any terrorists who
wanted to attack the U. S.
He was killing his own people. His boys were over the
line Sadists.
If he had been content to be the ruler of Iraq even if
abysmally, we wouldn’t have gone there.
Does anyone think the region would have been more’
stable if the U. S. had stayed out? Would all the
problems have simply vaporized? I don’t think anyone
believes that.
As for the folks who brought in land mines and were
suicide bombers, if they had waited to vote for who
they wanted as leaders, they’d have been alive a lot
longer.
We didn’t capture the land and take any part of it,
for ourselves. We didn’t abscond with national
treasure. We didn’t even ask for oil sales to cover
our costs.
We left it stable, with the Iraqi people holding up
purple thumbs.
I’m not pleased with who we picked to be president,
but the nation isn’t attacking its neighbors. Even
though women haven’t seen all the improvement they
could have, I do believe they are better off today.
As for WMDs, Hussein prevented U. N. inspectors from
inspected troublesome sites. The implication was
that he had programs that he didn’t want the outside
world to see. All he had to do, was allow those
inspectors to see the facility. This made the U. N.
inspectors believe he had something to hide.
It made the U. S. and many other nations feel the
same way. The guy was a roman candle waiting to
go off in a fireworks factory.
While we thought he was pushing nuclear development,
he didn’t seem to have been. What he did have was
chemical weapons. Most of those are suspected to
have been moved out of country to Syria. When
chemicals were used later in Syria, it is suspected
that the chemicals used may have been part of the
former stocks of Iraq.
It is also true that the United States did uncover
a large stash of Chemical weapons between Baghdad
and the Syrian border.
It’s still iffy for me, just how much chemical
weapons he had, and if those warranted what we
did. He could have eliminated any suspicion by
just allowing inspectors to review his holdings.
He had used chemical weapons against his own
people. Why should anyone think he wouldn’t use
them against his neighbors?
Yes, in a sane world, there would not be need
for the United States to launch an operation
like we did in Iraq. We don’t live in a sane
world.
If folks think we’re bad, wait until China
starts it’s foreign interventions
Land will be taken along with everything that
exists in the territory in question.
People will be liquidated on a whim. That’s
what Communist leaderships do.
Yes, China went capitalist, as a business
model. It’s leadership didn’t change one bit.
They still have the hard line Communist
leadership, and Shanghai displays just how
happy they are to use it, and to what extent
they will use it.
Imagine how restrained they will be with
foreign powers and their people.
Not at all.
The U. S. isn’t perfect. Some folks will
always find fault with it. Sometimes it
will be somewhat justifiable.
Folks, I’m here to tell you that when the
U. S. does fall, people will look back on
this time, and wish to hell they had it
this good again.
We have major problems, major corruption, and
plenty that needs fixed. We are still the
only global power than stands between pure
evil and freedom.
When folks make the case that the United States
is not worth fixing, they simply haven’t
considered the alternative.
We can kiss relative peace good-bye, when the
U. S. exits the scene.
We wouldn’t even have the Ukraine war today if
we had Trump as president. That’s how important
the U. S. is to world stability.
Never forget it.
This is not directed at you. It’s my thoughts on
some of the issues I addressed, and the topic at
hand was Iraq.
BTW: I agree with your take on Afghanistan.
The Taliban was a very big problem. At one point they were
threatening the government of Pakistan. Imagine them with
the bomb.
“:^)
“There are specific reasons why Russia did what they did.”
Thugs, bullies, and thieves always have reasons.
None of them are valid.
L
“:^)
Well said.
L
Bear ? It’s the old, stinking hyena.
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