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To: BiglyCommentary; All

It is really sad, but there is no question conservatives today really do not have direct and detailed enough knowledge, or accurate non-revisionist historical knowledge critical to Eastern European events (or globally), which “set the table” for what we see happening now in the mid 1980’s and into the 1990’s.

As well, the 1980’s and early 1990’s ultimately triggered what was really another high level cold war spat, and semi-kinetic proxy war between the US and Moscow in the former Yugoslavia going into the 2000’s.

It was a convenient and near universal and legendary conservative default belief, but the “blue dress” really was not behind our engagement in Yugoslavia. But that is for another time. (Albeit it should never ha e happened)

The fact that Ukraine was one of the single biggest causes (on multiple fronts, including the rise of Lech Walesa in Poland), in forcing the USSR/CCCP to transition into a Russian Federation with its subordinate CIS, (the plan of which was born no later than 1978-1979), began unfolding in the early 1980’s), helping to cause the USSR’s loss of totalitarian control over the Warsaw Pact, and ultimately resulted in nearly a 120 quiet US friendly ranking Ukrainian KGB and UA-CCP officials from Kiev (and their families being hunted down by RU KGB/FSB and GRU, and murdered.

Most were murdered in UA between 1987 to 1997. A few were murdered abroad (not in UA).

In a nutshell, those UA officials who opposed forced membership in the Kremlin controlled/subordinated CIS were eliminated - before CIS was created, during its formal formation in 1991, and within four to five years after UA had already been forced into the subordinate CIS.

While this was happening, Clinton was fully embracing and supporting all things Kremlin policy, like many “conservatives” across America today, no matter what the Kremlin does.

Early UA efforts to break free from Moscow -

There were actually two significant quiet attempts in UA, really spanning between 1987-1993, and one not so quiet, to try and break from subordination to the Kremlin and.to become independent. These too resulted in more bloodshed and polotocal assassinations, subsequent, and somewhat careful installation of at least quietly Kremlin aligned UA political figures.

Notably, until US President Trump, these have always included pro-Kremlin UA governance over UA resources and strategic materials.

As happened across the Warsaw Pact (and worse in UA) post WWII, from 1991 to 2012, UA was dominated by proactive FSB thuggery, coercion, threat of death, and “Destabilization by Corrupt Methods (DCM).

One of the single greatest problems UA faced through the 1990’s was the direct result of leftist, Pro Kremlin, US administration and politicians (Clinton.and predominantly the DNC).

UA knew the West would give almost anything to Moscow, including near full cooperation on RU domestic and foreign policy within its sphere, and beyond.

At the same time UA desperately needed and sought many relationships with “Western” political leaders, and large corporations, often in violation of its CIS subordination to Moscow.

It is well documented (from Russian sources and Russian documentary), just as they have been all.along across Latin America, the GRU and FSB have long been using well trained terror and assassination operatives (including GRU/FSB trained and funded RU neo-Nazi’s since at least 2007 in UA), as well as global psychological operations against UA. This has only increased in intensity from 1991 to the present.

I ha e seen many videos like this one, where almost none of the actual history, and most of the literal context of past and recent history are near completely missing, where the embrace of the narrative depends on the knowledge of western historical illiteracy, or of the targeted western viewership.

As it is a known variable that human pride does not allow for one to accept they are wrong, when through ignorance the proud embrace propaganda, they can only become arrogant robotic disciples and exponential purveyors of the author’s strategic goal.

Truly sad...


29 posted on 05/07/2022 12:14:53 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: patriotfury

Thak you for that EPIC POST!” Shatters the lies the Putards spew 24/7 and exposes them as cluesless useful idiots doing Russia’s bidding in spreading propaganda.


30 posted on 05/07/2022 12:36:55 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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