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Unvaccinated People Create Higher Risk for Vaccinated, Study Says
WebMD ^ | April 27, 2022

Posted on 04/28/2022 10:47:52 AM PDT by nickcarraway

People who don’t get vaccinated against COVID-19 are putting themselves in danger and also are creating a “disproportionate” threat to the health of vaccinated people, even in places with high vaccination rates, says a study published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

The study by University of Toronto researchers used computer modeling based on the province of Ontario to predict infection rates when unvaccinated and vaccinated people mixed to varying degrees. The researchers worked in factors such as vaccine effectiveness, baseline immunity among the unvaccinated, and infection recovery rates.

Unvaccinated people were always at a higher risk of infection, the study said. Vaccinated people had lower infection rates when they mixed with other vaccinated people and lower rates when they mixed with unvaccinated people. The study found unvaccinated people enjoyed a lower infection rate when they mixed with vaccinated people because the vaccinated people served as a “buffer,” the study said.

“We found that the choices made by people who forgo vaccination contribute disproportionately to risk among those who do get vaccinated,” the researchers wrote.

“Although risk associated with avoiding vaccination during a virulent pandemic accrues chiefly to people who are unvaccinated, their choices affect risk of viral infection among those who are vaccinated in a manner that is disproportionate to the portion of unvaccinated people in the population.”

The research shows that not getting vaccinated is not just a personal decision, one of the study’s authors said in an interview.

“At the end of the day, this is about collective action. Unfortunately, in a communicable disease system – we’re all connected and that’s why we have to rely on public health for things like this,” David Fisman, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Toronto’s Dalla Lana School of Public Health, told Global News.

“The decision to get vaccinated can’t be framed as just a matter of personal choice because it has implications for the safety of other people in the community.”

Fisman told Forbes the findings support the idea of mandates, vaccine passports and other legal measures to limit unvaccinated people’s access to public spaces. Restrictions have been imposed to limit the spread of other infectious diseases and even prevent people from smoking tobacco in indoor public places, the study noted.

Government leaders should consider the study when setting policy in the future, the study said.

“It is unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 will be eliminated, and our findings will likely be relevant to future seasonal SARS-CoV-2 epidemics or in the face of emerging variants,” the study said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bs; coronafascism; covid19; fakenews; fakestudy; trumpvaccineaok; unvaccinated; vaccine; vaccines
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To: nickcarraway

Am I wrong in thinking this contradicts other studies? I no longer trust a lot of studies regarding COVID because they are (IMHO) set up to achieve a result agreed upon beforehand.


21 posted on 04/28/2022 10:53:17 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: BiteYourSelf

based on a prediction, none the less


22 posted on 04/28/2022 10:53:31 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: nickcarraway

We have no reason to believe in the modeling of anything because of their poor track record on Covid and climate.


23 posted on 04/28/2022 10:53:32 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot (Recovering Kalifornian... Loving Alabama!)
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To: nickcarraway

Are they factoring in adverse reactions and deaths from the shots? No.


24 posted on 04/28/2022 10:53:35 AM PDT by sanjuanbob
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To: nickcarraway

“The study by University of Toronto researchers used computer modeling....”

Says it all.


25 posted on 04/28/2022 10:53:56 AM PDT by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: nickcarraway

From the article ““At the end of the day, this is about collective action....”

Collective? Well, there’s your socialist trigger word. This “study” is such BS. Looks like another “MD” publication I will ignore.


26 posted on 04/28/2022 10:54:54 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: nickcarraway

Bullfauci.

Complete and utter bullfauci.


27 posted on 04/28/2022 10:55:04 AM PDT by Allegra
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To: nickcarraway

Modeling.


28 posted on 04/28/2022 10:55:36 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: nickcarraway

Moderna stock, upward and onward!


29 posted on 04/28/2022 10:55:39 AM PDT by Deo volente ("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
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To: nickcarraway

Total BS. Here’s the ‘money shot’ & the reason why they came to the conclusions they did ... support for the narrative that limits/takes away personal freedom:

“Fisman told Forbes the findings support the idea of mandates, vaccine passports and other legal measures to limit unvaccinated people’s access to public spaces.’


30 posted on 04/28/2022 10:55:48 AM PDT by Qiviut (🍊 #standup "Don't let your children die on the hill you refuse to fight on.")
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To: Principled; EEGator; Skywise; All

31 posted on 04/28/2022 10:56:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: George from New England

Probably not paid for by Big Pharma. My MD prescribes a dozen nutritional supplements to keep me healthy if WebMD says they are useful. I’m very old and take only two little bp pills, Big Pharma hates me and docs like him. Because I take everything now known to keep immune system strong and have every morning for the last 50 years, my MD said I didn’t need vax.

I don’t really understand this article. Probably true for people who do not have strong immune systems from vitamins and not overeating. Quite a hunk of the population.


32 posted on 04/28/2022 10:56:28 AM PDT by Veto! (Political correctness offends me)
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To: nickcarraway

There is no data because this is a model only. This is fraudulent disinformation and you could be banned from a platform based on the kind of society you are advocating by not posting this with a hurl alert.


33 posted on 04/28/2022 10:59:07 AM PDT by sopo
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To: metmom

“All based on a model with unsupported assumptions.”

Computer models are not magic. When done properly, they’re a best guess, translated into computer code. More often lately, they’ve become opinions or outright fiction, translated into computer code. Complete with fancy graphs and tables.


34 posted on 04/28/2022 10:59:54 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: nickcarraway

The highest rates of infections, hospitalizations and deaths are in countries with the highest vaccination rates. This article makes no sense.


35 posted on 04/28/2022 11:00:21 AM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: nickcarraway

Proof that the Paper by Fisman, et al. Should be Retracted Immediately

For the final 'nail in the coffin that is the paper by Fisman, et al., let’s make only one adjustment to their model. First, kudos to the authors for making their mathematical model available. Seeing the epidemiological models being used to inform COVID-19 policies has been a rarity over the past couple of years. Fisman did not make his model available in his previous paper (that was also published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal), nor for any models that he was involved with when serving on the Science Table. Unfortunately, the current disclosed model highlights exactly why nobody should ever trust any epidemiological model that has not been fully disclosed.

I encourage everyone to read this analysis of the study to see just how awful it is.

https://viralimmunologist.substack.com/p/fiction-disguised-as-science-to-promote?s=r

36 posted on 04/28/2022 11:01:03 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: nickcarraway

The scientists weren’t logged in when they came up with this study.


37 posted on 04/28/2022 11:01:38 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: nickcarraway

“Study says.” Two of the most misused words in the language.


38 posted on 04/28/2022 11:02:10 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: nickcarraway

Hi.

Don’t see the data.

What tyle of study/methodology
Was it double blind
Control group
Sample size

Thanks

5.56mm


39 posted on 04/28/2022 11:02:28 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: nickcarraway

No, this is wrong. The fake vaxxed shed spike proteins and endanger the unfakeVaxxed. They make healthy people without undamaged immune systems damaged.


40 posted on 04/28/2022 11:03:10 AM PDT by dforest (We have to put a stop to this now.)
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