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To: delta7
"Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion."

You lost me on the first line. Your entire opinion is cut/paste propaganda, disinformation and pure BS. What Russian disinformation site did you assemble this garbage from? Or are you just playing a video game and rambling on about how a certain scenario would play out while wearing your Alexander The Great chest armor believing you are a great general convinced of your own tactical and strategic skills/experience you gained playing video games where you commanded offensive battles that CRUSHED the helpless countries you invade!

You're just another cut/paste yahoo cheering for the bully. Always looking to assemble a literary masterpiece of BS from whatever lies, propaganda and disinformation you can dig up, twist and mold into some narrative dirt to slam Ukraine military, Kiev and Zelensky with.

Last time I checked... It is Putin that invaded Ukraine and wants war. It is Putin that is destroying Ukraine cities and homes; looting, stealing land, displacing millions of Ukraine people and killing Ukraine civilians. But your all up in a wad eager to slam Ukraine for defending itself and happily conjure up any Kremlin propaganda that would paint Ukraine military as the liars and committing war crimes while defending Putin's invasion as an invasion of liberation! LOL!

So tell me genius... Did Zelensky order his army to invade Russia?? Is Ukraine destroying Russian cities and homes; is Ukraine looting Russian homes and businesses; stealing Russian land, raping Russian women and killing Russian civilians?? How stupid of people not to to think that Zelensky should be the one on his knees begging to negotiate with a criminal thug that invades his country. Putin is a KGB Kremlin thug that believes he can just take what he wants; invade Ukraine, kill innocents, destroy cities and homes, displace millions of people for the sake of a few thousand Russian speaking separatists in eastern Ukraine... when he could have simply chosen to live in peace with Ukraine and respected its sovereignty. Of course that was just an excuse and a lie from Putin. It is Putin's ambition and dream to steal and put Ukraine territory under Russian federation. Ukraine is the cornerstone of Putin's plan to return Russia back to an economic and financial power since the fall of Soviet Russia when he first became president in 2000. He is bent on acquiring Ukraine by any means... be it by invasion and theft, by election interference, false-flag agitation, or meddling for regime change in its security and politics through assassinations. Putin is maniacal about getting Ukraine.. even at the expense of civilians, cities and homes. Putin KGB mentality wants to rule over Ukraine or burn it to the ground, and to hell with what Ukraine people want. It's that simple.

Putin, his Crimea invasion, his Soviet loving separatist militant criminals who steal Ukraine territory and his KGB government thugs you give a pass to, and defend his genocidal military as if Mother Teresa herself were it's commander.

Putin broke the 1994 Budapest agreement with his invasion of Crimea in 2014. He supplied arms and support for the pro-Russian insurgents and the separatists that now occupy Lunhask and Donetsk along with Russian military advisors. Putin again broke the Budapest agreement by his full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 24! Putin invaded BOTH TIMES without provocation or necessity!

Putin had his own military and he paid mercenaries to infiltrate the Donbas area in order to help the separatist rebels secure the Donetsk and Luhansk regions as new republics in 2014! The separatists were directly backed by Putin, and it was Putin who encouraged/provoked the rebels to take up arms against Kiev with the promise that Russia will liberate them from a pro-EU government and replace Kiev with a pro-Kremlin government!

Zelensky became president in 2019, almost 6 years after the 2014-15 Donbas conflict and Crimea invasion. No love for Zelensky... but hugs and kisses for Putin, his thuggery and corruption.

LOL! There's more Nazis mercenary thugs out of Donbas working for Putin, then the handful of scattered hooligans Putin claims are a threat to Russia! Putin is the Donbas savior! He must answer the cries from his dear comrades that are anguishing in the Donbas praying for the Kremlin to liberate them from Ukraine oppression! Too funny!

Russia is run by KGB Putin and his corrupt cadre of Soviet thugs who extort billions from Russian business and it's people to enrich themselves. Ukraine corruption is pale in comparison to Ukraine.

"Since Saturday Gonzalo Lira, who has been reported from Kharkov, is no longer reachable. He seems to have been captured or killed by the Ukrainian Gestapo-like SBU. Sadly I had expected that. Doing hours of Youtube live streams when your enemy controls the internet in your area is not very smart.

Gonzalo Lira??? ... killed by the Ukrainian Gestapo-like SBU??? Bwahahahaha! But KBG Putin and his Soviet henchmen are not??? Where is your proof the SBU is Gestapo-like besides from the brainwashing you got from Kremlin and separatist propaganda and parroted by liars like Gonzalo Lira. Gonzalo Lira is a pro-separatist propagandist and Russian disinformation stooge! Have you ever been to Kharkov or Kiev? I have! I have relatives in Odessa and Kiev who are familiar with Gonzalo who tell me he is known as an opportunist and spreads pro Russian propaganda. Believing this clown is like cheering for Castro while wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt! You can believe whatever you want and make your disinformation narratives how ever which way... but it's best to post your tripe under satire, than claim that it is corroborated and objective commentary.

Donbas region is Ukraine territory and Putin has no claim to it nor can he justify invading Ukraine on behalf of the separatists either! He invades Ukraine to steal its land, using the separatists as pawns and claiming he is liberating them as his excuse. That was his entire plan since 2014!

Putin invaded Ukraine; destroys and kills because he desires/wants to, not out of necessity or that he needs to.

Ukraine will defend it's freedom and sovereignty from ANY invader that tries to steal their home and forcibly subjugate them under the regime of a tyrant and thug. Ukraine people DO NOT fight for Zelensky... they fight for their country to expel an invader who wants to steal their land and assassinate their president! Russian military are the aggressors who INVADE/fight under the command of Putin who chooses invasion. An invasion driven by selfish glory and ambition... not in defense of Russia or its people.

The best result would be for you to remove your KGB thug Putin from office, end the ILLEGAL INVASION of a sovereign country and go cry on your Stalin portrait.

Nothing you said is sound or supported by evidence, just your own opinion and conjured fantasy.
66 posted on 04/26/2022 11:43:47 PM PDT by Bellagio
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To: Bellagio

I agree with your first statement.

The first sentence of your third paragraph was confirmed indirectly by the UN Secretary General yesterday, forcing even Lavrov to admit that it is indeed the case that Ukrainians have not violated Russian sovereignty or its territory, but Russia certainly has violated Ukrainian sovereignty territory.

Mariupol’s commander, Delimkhanov has publicly said that his orders came from Kadyrov and Putin, and they were, “[the] special operation to destroy and clear Mariupol”.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/22/chechen-lawmaker-says-mariupol-destroyed-on-putins-orders-a77453

The video of Delimkhanov’s speech is widely available, unedited. So if you want any concrete evidence that Putin’s mission in Mariupol had nothing whatsoever to do with “liberating” Mariupol’s Russian citizens, you’ve got it. Putin even honoured Delimkhanov after he said that. If Putin had ordered ANYTHING ELSE, Delimkhanov would’ve got a dressing down, not a medal. People have been thrown out of a seventh storey window for wilfully misrepresenting putting Putin in a bad light in a way that Putin doesn’t like.

“Putin broke the 1994 Budapest agreement with his invasion of Crimea in 2014.” Absolutely, but then so did every other party to the agreement. Also... The first breach of the agreement was actually BEFORE the invasion of Crimea.

In December 2013 Yanukovych single-handedly binned the planned EU Free Trade Agreement that he’d been co-sponsoring since that February, and arbitrarily signed an agreement to lock his country’s finances to Russian state financial support instead. Moreover, he did it without even consulting a Parliament that was overwhelmingly supportive of the EU FTA (as Yanukovych had been only a month earlier).

So we know the exact date that Putin first broke the Budapest Memorandum. It was 17th December 2013. We know where Putin did it - in Moscow, at the 6th Interstate Consultation. We know roughly how he did it - Yanukovych was compromised and coerced. We know what the point of that coercion was - to exploit massive financial problems in Ukraine, and force Ukraine into rejecting a EU free trade solution in favour of Ukrainian finances being forever locked to Moscow.

This unfortunately means the guarantors of Budapest - the UK and USA especially - should’ve done something significant the minute Putin declared the interim government post-Euromaidan illegitimate. We didn’t. So Putin invaded Crimea. We still didn’t do anything significant. Russia sponsored DPR and LPR self-declarations of independence, again violating Ukrainian sovereignty - we still didn’t react. Then Russia invaded. And finally the guarantors of Budapest started thinking, “we probably ought to do something because now Putin really is taking the piss.”


68 posted on 04/27/2022 12:51:01 AM PDT by MalPearce
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