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To: Namyak

Can’t help you friggin idiots who don’t understand that Russia and China are a threat to our security. That means our lives and property.
We’re on this side. They’re on that side.
If you don’t understand that fundamental fact, no one should let you play with sharp objects.


34 posted on 04/26/2022 6:37:37 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Guess who and how made them enemies? First you tread on them for no particular reason and no is crying like a little girl. Isn’t it silly?


36 posted on 04/26/2022 6:40:03 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Williams

Look at our southern border. THAT is a threat to our security.


68 posted on 04/26/2022 7:45:04 PM PDT by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Williams

Oh, I agree with you whole-heartily; China and Russia are the only two countries in the world that are a threat to the United States economically/militarily and militarily (due to their nuclear stockpiles, not conventional military), respectively.

But going all the way back to the Peace of Westphalia, it was recognized that sovereign nations have complicated spheres of influence and interests. NATO was an anti-USSR pact when that certainly made sense; the Soviets were a hairsbreadth away from pouring through the Fulda Gap. Who decided that it would, of necessity, become an anti-Russia pact? And who decided, despite the sober voices of three decades consoling against it, that NATO should continue to push eastward? I’m sure I don’t have to lecture you on European geography, but every mile pushed eastward makes Russia more indefensible; its a single plain until the Ural Mountains.

The 2014, US-supported coup against the legitimately elected Ukrainian government threatened Russia’s territorial hegemony, and threatened one of only two of their warm-water ports. Such a thing could not stand if Russia still considered itself a world-power, and Russia responded exactly as any rational country would: they invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea.

But here’s the thing: seeing China and Russia as threats to the United States is not the same as causing conflict and sowing strife just because we have to be on the opposite side of said countries. If Ukraine still had its legitimately elected pro-Russian government, this war would not be happening. We chose this conflict, we wanted this, and my fear is that “this business will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it”, to quote a famous movie.


78 posted on 04/26/2022 8:03:15 PM PDT by Namyak (Oderint dum metuant)
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