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To: aquila48
You are promoting a variation on the blame game ... you are not responsible because ultimately God allowed or made you do it.

All have free will to choose to believe God their creator or not. You have wso far chosen to not. The part you may be lacking on is the way we were constructed in the beginning. we had a body and a behavior mechanism called soul of mind emtoions and will, and The Creatotr added a third level of being, spirit. The design is perfect ... for allowing each individual to choose. In the great plan our progenittor, Adam chose to not let the spirit run the soul which runs the body. As descendants from Adam we have inherited that flaw of not having a spirit in use directing the soul. BUT GOD had always planned the solution to that flaw, but based the solution upon the individual choosing to accept the cure. We are not the puppets you would like us to be. And now I am gong to give you the second half of the alternate view.

God created satan and allowed him top choose to rebel, to choose his self aggrandizement. When satan chose top rebel the chess match was on. If God played the game as you are demanding He play it, then God would be always doing to counter what satan chooses. That would make which player the more dominant? A fallen angel cannot be the source for God''s actions lest God no longer be the sovereign. But the Soverign wants those He loves to have free choice, so we do, aleit we are constantly seeking to counter satan's moves.

You want God to go on the offensive, which would remove satan's free will consequences. That is a nice puppet show but not what God planned from the beginning for humankind. You might consider that satan was created before Adam, and he had a very lofty position in the pantheon of created beings.

125 posted on 04/20/2022 1:53:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

“you are not responsible because ultimately God allowed or made you do it.”

Very good! I knew you were going to go there.

That is indeed a conundrum - if we have no control over how we’re made, that means we really can’t be held responsible for what we do. That is a very valid argument. So how do we square that with the fact that we as a society justify holding people “responsible” for their actions and meting out punishments and rewards?

Well it’s not really about responsibility but about controlling behavior. We don’t really care if you behave the way you do because God made you that way or whatever other reason.

What we care about is whether we have some control over how you behave. And we do.

People’s behavior is controlled in most cases by consequences or the threat (or promise) of consequences. When humans come together as a society there are certain behaviors that are frowned upon and some that are welcome, and societies through their collective force impose consequences that reward for what it deems to be good behavior and punish bad behavior. (BTW, that is the essence of religion. )

For most people the threat (or promise) of those consequences is enough to keep them on the straight and narrow, and thus contribute to “domestic tranquillity”.

However, there are some for whom the range of consequences we have so far come up with don’t seem to work. They don’t change their behavior in a desirable direction.

So, what we do with them? Well, we lock them up. We keep them out of circulation so the rest of us can enjoy a more peaceful coexistence. Thus the concepts of “responsibility” and “free will” don’t really enter the picture. It’s just about how people respond to particular stimuli. A bit like the way a car responds to pushing the gas vs the break pedal

What we consider “responsible” is behaving in a way that avoids negative consequences. Or, in other words, consciously behaving in such a way that promotes your long term happiness.

Does that make sense? Is that not the way humans and societies work?


127 posted on 04/20/2022 7:46:56 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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