Posted on 04/19/2022 7:24:09 AM PDT by artichokegrower
God does not create evil - although he allows calamity and various other incidents that draw us to Him...and also He created us with the ability to choose.
I challenge you to read the first lines in Genesis .... You’ll see creation and you’ll see chaos ....so what happened after God created the heavens and the earth, before He created light...and why did he have to create light.
When God creates it’s not void and empty.
It’s a mystery to me why he lets some live.
Why are you so eager to fight? LOL, while you persist with this lamebrained, grade-school argument, evil is out roaming freely over the earth, doing whatever the h3ll it wants, unopposed by you.
This is the kind of thing 4th-graders pester the parish cleric about when he’s teaching his weekly catechism class.
What you are saying, basically, is “Freedom does not equal Love” and that freedom is sort of a limb of evil because evil men are just as free as good ones. (Supposedly.) In giving us freedom, Nob was screwing us all over. To create goodness, we should end freedom. Got it. (And if demons exist, it only reaffirms the non-existence of a loving deity that has a long-term plan that humanity only barely grasps. Also, if you get up in the middle of the night and stub your toe on the end table trying to find the bathroom in the dark, this proves that the world is also evil and is out to get you.)
Now go get into a “block war” on twatter with someone who “believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.” It’ll make you feel better.
“It’s a mystery to me why he lets some live.”
LOL. Me too. Or why he creates them in the first place.
“This is the kind of thing 4th-graders pester the parish cleric about when he’s teaching his weekly catechism class.”
Shows that the 4th grader has more sense than the cleric’s inane blather.
“Now go get into a “block war” on twatter with someone who “believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.””
Well, look in the mirror-that’s YOU!
LOL! It’s you who believes in an all loving, all powerful God who let’s innocent girls be brutally tortured and murdered.
It boggles the mind that you are incapable of seeing that contradiction, or else you sure have a sadistic definition for love.
“I challenge you to read the first lines in Genesis .... You’ll see creation and you’ll see chaos ....so what happened after God created the heavens and the earth, before He created light...and why did he have to create light.”
And shortly thereafter one of his creations (Eve) turned out to be rather faulty. Did he not know what he was doing?
And then instead of fixing her and admitting his mistake, he sends them out naked into a rather cruel world full of dangers.
Have I got that right?
“What matters is the arbitrary precept that challenges the atheist’s sensibilities.”
Yes, and they are not just “arbitrary” precepts but out-and-out contradictions that are embraced by certain religions and their followers, that gall not just the atheist’s sensibilities but any rational human.
And when those contradictions are pointed out (which is all I’m doing) the “believers” work themselves up in a lather, rather than correcting the contradictions.
I myself am agnostic. I think most likely there is something bigger than us but I have as much knowledge of the nature of that being as an amoeba has of me.
That’s enough. Like I said, all your friends are waiting for you to talk about the Tooth Fairy on twatter. Go to them! Stop bothering me and have a nice day.
I am contending for the Gospel of The Grace of God in Christ. You know and intend to mock God, but in your twisted heart you try tyo wriggle away from the truth about you so you just lie and say you are mocking me.
Go ahead, mock me for being born again, born from above, born into the family of God. Rail against me. Accuse me. God will ignore you. But continue to spew your vitriol in the form of mocking God and you will meet an ignominious end where God gives you up to a reprobate mind.
And before you spew more insults toward God, know this, when Jesus gave His final instructions to His disciples He charged them with sharing the Gospel of Grace. So it is my assignment to defend the Gospel of Grace and respond to some degree when a fool tries to insult God for not being warrior enough.
The Jews in Jerusalem who put palm branches down for Jesus when He entered Jerusalem the week before He was crucified had a similar vitriolic response when He didn't draw a sword and crush the Roman rule and establish His rod of Iron Kingdom the way they imagined it to come. When they were offered God's Grace not the blood-spot conquering they wanted they cried out crucify him, we will not have this man to rule over us. You've joined a loud crowd, but a doomed one. Try to turn away from that gaggle of fools.
No matter how much or how viciously you insult God's Grace, you will not be the cause of God raising His wrath. He has appointed a time for that release and you are too little to cause the time to change in response to your taunting and mocking.
As it happens, I am also commanded to love you with agape love, so don't imagine there is an insult you can spew which will turn me away from continuing to try and reach you in your heart, the spirit of your soul. My reference to how He has made us is aimed at conveying to you data which you have not received before regarding the configuration of humans and the how and why He redeems some by the consent of their heart and rejects others demanding acceptance.
That third perspective could help soften the focus because God will not be relegated to defense of righteousness by letting satan dictate the actions of God. God goes on the offense when He chooses, not dictated by the actions sourced in evil.
Sometimes we think we're honest when were not.
No. You don’t have that right. Have never even bothered to read what you condemn?
Real fine post, Roman. Really great.
Please correct me. I want to learn.
You can learn what happened by reading the Bible.
It’s a bit worrying that you look to others for answers regarding God Whom you condemn. Perhaps if you took the time to learn what He has to say to you, you might change your mind. Countless others have.
“IF, seeing you a mere man/woman insulting God, taunting at God, if I see that spewing from you and say nothing to warn you, then I’m not being Christian.
I am contending for the Gospel of The Grace of God in Christ. You know and intend to mock God, but in your twisted heart you try tyo wriggle away from the truth about you so you just lie and say you are mocking me. “
Boy did I touch a nerve or what? I guess you didn’t appreciate me holding a mirror in front of you.
Yes, I’m mocking not so much you as your contradictory beliefs. I don’t know enough about the real God to be able to or to want to mock him.
And why would an all powerful all loving being care or even pay attention to what an insignificant germ like me has to say?
What would help you is to be a bit more honest and accept that you hold very inconsistent beliefs that you cannot reconcile - and simply say “I don’t know” and live yout life as best as you know how, and let the chips fall where they may... because they’re going to do that regardless.
“You can learn what happened by reading the Bible.”
I did read the Bible, that’s why I said what I said. You read it too but are unwilling to tell me how what I said is wrong.
I’m not as smart as you, but you’re not being very helpful.
So, you read the Bible? All the way through to the end? And you somehow came to the conclusions you’ve posted on this thread? I can’t imagine how that happened.
I don’t think anything from me will help you at all. You had the opportunity to chat with someone who knows it and understands it back and forth, but you chose to respond negatively when he was trying to help you understand. That man being MHGinTN. If you would “listen” you would learn so much from him if you were really curious about God and the Bible.
“Today is the day of salvation.” There are no guarantees for a tomorrow for any of us. Surely, if you’re over your late 20s you’ve pondered what happens when you die. As a science mag asked a few years back, “Where does life go when it leaves the body?” I pray you take the time to ask God to forgive your slandering (He will) and to give you eternal life with Him (He will turn none away who honestly seek Him). You’ve got eternal life already, but you won’t be with Him ... at this point, anyway. That can all change literally in the blink of an eye and you can know for a certainty the truth of Scripture and just Who Christ Jesus is.
I don’t know how He does it, but He’s done it for me and millions of others. One day this world was all we knew. Then, once saved by His grace, we have a different existence altogether and the old life seems senseless and without any light. He does that work, and I surely can’t explain it.
May you be saved today, aquila48. In sincerity, I will be praying for you.
MHG, I loved your post about the fisherman. This post, however, is incredibly good. May it be used for God’s purpose and glory for some seeking soul.
May God bless you, my friend.
“but you chose to respond negatively when he was trying to help you understand. That man being MHGinTN.”
Yes, he helped by calling me a fool for asking serious questions - that he had no comprehensible answers for.
“May you be saved today, aquila48. In sincerity, I will be praying for you.”
Thanks, I can always use a good prayer.
The deadness in your soul, the spirit with no God-life in it, is the source of your mocking God. God has provided a way for you to have His Life in your spirit, but it requires you to do something:
John 6:2& 29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
The source opf my information for you tells me that there is a physical body and there is a spirit body. The spirit body is not in the same dimensional variable continuum as the physical body but is connected to the physical body via the soul. The physical body with the attached mind, will, and emotions is what my source identifies as 'the flesh'.
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